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Unknown Speaker (2:38): Okay. We are finally finally in the valley of it all. Finally. Made It's taken so long to get here. What happened?

Speaker 6 (2:49): No, we made it. It's almost as long as a trip from the valley to Santa Clarita. Almost. Sorry, Mia.

Speaker 5 (3:01): Well, we had quite an episode on our hands, didn't we? And you know what? I'm always down for an episode to open up with the law, otherwise known as La la.

Unknown Speaker (3:13): Oh, yes.

Speaker 5 (3:14): You know, her Tupac came out and we opened up the deal kicking it to Danny. The quote of the show that La la, I'm gonna take with me, You're passive aggressive. I just get aggressive.

Speaker 6 (3:29): Oh, I love that. Yes. You're passive aggressive. I'm just aggressive. Same here, but I could also be passive.

Speaker 6 (3:38): But I love when La la said, the way your friend Danny speaks to his wife is utterly unacceptable. Because it's the truth, it's quick, and it's like, boom. What are you gonna do about it, Kristen? And that is this episode of Nutshell, but Let's let's break it

Unknown Speaker (3:56): just go there. Let's just go. Let's get right into that.

Unknown Speaker (3:59): Well, his jokes stop being funny. I don't know when they were funny.

Speaker 5 (4:06): Whose jokes? Danny?

Speaker 6 (4:07): Danny's corny, almost sexist machismo jokes that were never funny, but he's trying to make light of the situation by calling Braava La la Miss Triggered now, which is making fun of all the women that are triggered, which I didn't appreciate. People could be triggered if they want to.

Speaker 5 (4:31): First of all, it's a joke that you even suggested that he's funny because he's not funny. And it's also suggested that he's kind of sexist and misogynistic because he is. If what we're seeing on television and what we're seeing on our screens is any remote thread of truth of how he is in real life on the day to day, I would say that it does border on sexism and misogyny.

Speaker 6 (4:52): And did you see how scared the women were to God forbid say anything to Nia? And the men were scared of Danny because and like La la said, I am not gonna be a Janet. I'm not about to be an outcast because it's like everybody's terrified to be Jason and Janet now.

Speaker 5 (5:17): I'm gonna just say something. And and I can understand how everyone in that room might be extremely trepidatious in confronting Danny on his mess because we just got out of that mess. We're trying to have a good season. We don't want to rock the boat. And for lack of a better word, Danny is scary in his reactions.

Speaker 5 (5:43): He is. He does not negotiate. It is what it is. I said what I said, and there's no negotiation in any of that. But I thought it was incredibly unfair to have La la take on a man on her own who already has a negative relationship with respect in women.

Speaker 5 (6:04): And for her as a female, strong as she is, because she could take it. Like I have, I have no doubt that

Unknown Speaker (6:10): she could

Speaker 5 (6:10): get in, in a read and I have no idea. I have no doubt that she could probably take him, physically if it came to that. Like, I have no

Unknown Speaker (6:19): She has

Unknown Speaker (6:21): a lot of, she has a lot of,

Unknown Speaker (6:23): she has some rage, I

Speaker 5 (6:24): think inside, and that literally legitimately triggers her probably for so many reasons. Doesn't dial back to how Randall maybe treated her. Like what's that story as to why it's triggering. I want to know about that, but I do. Aside from that, if you've already heard her say all the men in that space who heard this or or were in proximity of hearing it or heard it secondhand, why did you have her take that on by herself?

Speaker 5 (6:48): Like another male should have stood up to him and said another male taller than him should have stood up to him and said listen Bonaparte. Oh, in you gone too far. You gone too far. No, you're not going to disrespect her that way. I did not love that.

Speaker 6 (7:04): Oh my god. I felt the same way. When do you remember the last season of Vanderpump rules, the originals, when Ariana wanted the guys to get Tom to stop talking to her? That wasn't even on an, dare I say, abusive level. She just didn't and then none of the guys helped her, and she was shocked.

Speaker 6 (7:27): This calls for male help. And La la doesn't have a boyfriend or husband to help her. So I really looked at the guys, even Jesse, like, come on, man. She really had to just speak to him like that by herself. And then he was going in on her, and Nia also could have, like, grabbed him and gotten him to stop.

Speaker 5 (7:54): Oh gosh. It's it's unbearable to see a woman so broken down as she is, you know? And here we go again. You know? I mean, how do we know Nia's broke down?

Speaker 5 (8:06): And I absolutely 1000% don't mean any shade in this at all. But Nia, what was that dress? That dress is not your that's not your element. That is a woman who is tired. Like, get it.

Speaker 5 (8:20): I I I get it. That's a woman who is broken down and tired. And what did you think about the I mean, it was downright abusive what he was doing. I'm sorry.

Unknown Speaker (8:33): That's why I said abusive. I said sorry, but

Speaker 5 (8:36): It just clicked in. I'm sorry. Had to it just clicked in.

Unknown Speaker (8:38): No. It's

Speaker 5 (8:39): The frames in my head, it was downright verbally and emotionally abusive and

Unknown Speaker (8:44): emotionally emotionally abusive.

Speaker 5 (8:46): 20% of 80% of what they film and not even seeing a 100% of their lives. Then you can pretty much suspect that that is a day to day thing. Right?

Speaker 6 (8:56): It's disgusting to see a man treat his wife that way. It really is. And I call it abuse because it's emotional and verbal abuse, just like you said. I mean, not to be Janet and just throw words around, but maybe Janet wasn't wrong. Janet And I not felt vindicated for always taking her side.

Unknown Speaker (9:18): Janet was not wrong at all. No.

Speaker 5 (9:20): Not at all. And that in fact is possibly, oh my gosh, I just thought of this possibly why Nia struggles with Janet period and the reconciliation with Janet, because she knows to reconcile. She has to face the fact whenever she sees Janet's face, that the truth of her marriage is all right there. She has to, she has to have a reckoning with it. I don't want to like somebody if I'm really trying to hide that my marriage is in the toilet and I already know that you have.

Speaker 5 (9:54): A laser focus and a laser insight on that and you're clocking it like in real time. I don't want to be friends with you because I don't want to deal with that reality.

Speaker 6 (10:03): You are so on point. Is exactly what it is. That is exactly what it is. And she's always gonna remember that now when she looks at her like, oh, this, this woman knows the way I'm being treated.

Speaker 5 (10:17): This woman knows the way I'm being treated. Let's get to that apology. Go. And Janet and Nia, they finally

Unknown Speaker (10:24): Oh my god.

Unknown Speaker (10:24): Talk it out.

Speaker 6 (10:25): I am so tired. This is now the third time Janet had to apologize to Nia, and Nia is on this high horse of just, well, I don't know. I'm not ready. I'm sorry, but Janet, you don't have to apologize anymore to her because she has not apologized to you once for for Danny liking public posts about her, for basically spreading it all over America that she has to be hated. And I think a lot of Danny's hate has to do with the hate that he gives, I mean, has to do with Janet just being there because he didn't get what he wanted.

Speaker 6 (11:03): He couldn't get her off the show. I think it's enough having to apologize. What do you think?

Speaker 5 (11:08): Walk me through something. He was trying to get her off the show?

Speaker 6 (11:11): No. No. This is just something I think because I noticed well, is where my thoughts come from. I noticed that he made a couple comments like, oh, Janet. Because Janet's your best friend because they love Janet.

Speaker 6 (11:26): Like, he made a couple of these underhanded remarks towards her.

Speaker 5 (11:30): Okay. Okay. Well, this is what I gotta say about Dani Bukow, and then we're gonna get to Nia, and we're gonna circle back to Nia and and Janet. And and I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 (11:41): I'm just gonna have to call it. You might not have won the contest, but that dress really did fit.

Unknown Speaker (11:48): That was amazing. You loved it?

Unknown Speaker (11:51): Moving on. Can we just experience an apology without, yeah, but That's true. Like, Nia, take the apology.

Speaker 6 (12:02): Yeah, come on. Then she had to do the, I'm sorry to interrupt, but the whole pattern thing. Ugh, I was like, girl, stop. You are not her mother and she's, she's not your children. And,

Speaker 5 (12:15): and, and you know what? My answer to that in real time, if I was actually experiencing this apology, my answer to that is yes. Speaking of patterns, your husband has a documented pattern that we can roll the tape at any time that when he drinks, his behavior changes and he is misogynistic. He is sexist and he has all those things that I said he was two seasons ago when you went on this hate train with me. So speaking of patterns, if we're going talk about patterns, let's talk about patterns, you know?

Speaker 5 (12:42): And my take was Janet proactively sought Nia out despite being very trepidatious, probably going into it already knowing it wasn't going to land with her, but took the hit anyway and did it anyway and was sincere. She owned it only received by Nia saying, well, I just really feel indifferent. And and, and then the confessional, I don't really think that that was a real apology.

Speaker 6 (13:10): Oh my god. Are is she a the apology police?

Speaker 5 (13:14): So let so let me understand something. You have a regardless of what you think about Janet, she could have chosen not to do that, but she chose to do it on camera. So let me understand Nia, your relationship with apologies. You won't accept an apology from a girl who in this moment, regardless of what happened, whatever in this moment is trying to be a girl's girl and trying to be accountable and, and leads off saying I was wrong. And I am sorry.

Speaker 5 (13:39): Yes. As authentic as it can get, you can accept that apology, but you can accept the apology of your husband whose apology was more than half ass, who was being verbally and emotionally abusive to you for all the world to see you'll accept that apology.

Speaker 6 (13:55): Exactly. I felt the same thing, Elle. Why are you so forgiving toward Dani? But Janet is literally begging for forgiveness at this point. It's her third in person TV apology towards her.

Speaker 6 (14:10): She's practically like on her hands and knees like, look, can we just be friends? And she's not giving her an inch. It's so mean.

Speaker 5 (14:18): It's so mean. And we can't truly authentically call ourselves Christians if one of the fundamental fundamental golden rules of it all or commandment is to forgive thy neighbor.

Speaker 6 (14:36): Yes. It's literally in the Lord's daily prayer.

Unknown Speaker (14:41): It's literally I was literally reciting the Lord's daily prayer just now just to make sure I was right. It's literally in the Lord's daily prayer, and you can't forgive that?

Speaker 6 (14:51): As we forgive those who trespass against us. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (14:55): Does it mean that you have to be friends with them? Forgiving is just simply saying, okay, Janet, thank you for seeing me. I appreciate you trying to be stand up and be a girl's girl and give me the apology. So much has gone down. I'm not really ready to be friends with you because I still have a thing, but thank you.

Speaker 5 (15:11): That's all you had to say.

Speaker 6 (15:12): That's it. Or I've been a little bit nicer to her, not be on some, well, I I just don't I don't know. I'm not ready. Like, again.

Unknown Speaker (15:24): Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (15:25): And it's funny that the most religious people on this show are being the less forgiving, the least forgiving. Danny and Nia.

Unknown Speaker (15:34): Okay. I got a little emotional and I think I'm a little self conscious than I did just now. Oh

Unknown Speaker (15:40): no. Tell us. Know it's true. They're, they're supposed to be Christian and forgive.

Speaker 5 (15:49): I don't like women being beat up on by men and I don't like men. I don't like women beating up on other women, when. It's really unnecessary and you don't have to love Janet. You don't have to like her, but you do have to maybe, I think, do your Christian duty. You know, I I'm thinking that forgiveness was one of the 10 commandments, but I could be wrong and and and and work towards that no matter how hard it is.

Speaker 6 (16:14): It is one of the 10 commandments and and please speak to your pastor about it or please for I'm not.

Unknown Speaker (16:22): Get the pastor's mom, honey. We don't need no trauma.

Speaker 6 (16:24): To confessionals. She needs to say this confession. Like I haven't forgave this woman for twenty five years. Like, let it go. And Danny is the one mocking her.

Speaker 6 (16:39): It's like, it go. He couldn't forgive Jason either apparently. Now I'm gonna go

Speaker 5 (16:44): ahead and applaud La la and La la. This episode is for you. We dedicated you. Yes. I applaud her for taking one for the team to come and looking fierce, love the fit, need to know where you got that dress because that is hot.

Unknown Speaker (16:56): It was.

Speaker 5 (16:57): And kinda holds Christian's feet to the fire and and says, yeah. You know, what about your friend? Why are why are you not saying something? It's time for you to stand up. What did you think about it?

Speaker 5 (17:12): Did you I I thought it was kinda iconic for her to do that.

Speaker 6 (17:16): Oh, I loved it because she pointed out the hypocrisy. And Lava always points out hypocrisy, which I really do. I love that about her. I think where there's a hypocrite, she's gonna be the one standing there pointing the finger. And I loved what she said.

Speaker 6 (17:32): And then what she said in the end about people who are really religious, they tend to be this way. The men tend to be very controlling, and the women tend to be serving. Is that in a way what she said?

Speaker 5 (17:47): I I do believe I remember her saying that, and and I don't believe that she's wrong in this case. But there's religion and then there's spirituality, and there's religion, and there's Christianity and practice without the four walls of a church. And so there are certain religions, and I think we pointed out that his may be evangelical, his start may be in that space, it does seem to lean into these very strict husband and wife roles that are very limiting you know, to the wife. You know, Nia sat there and listened to this man apologize. No.

Speaker 5 (18:30): No. He didn't apologize.

Unknown Speaker (18:32): Did he apologize?

Unknown Speaker (18:34): Did he apologize, or did I miss something?

Speaker 6 (18:37): I don't think he literally apologized at all. He definitely didn't at night. Oh my god. Thank you for reminding me to say this real quick. I think that Nia had to have a serious talk with him and say something like, you look bad in front of the cameras, for him to literally apologize the next day.

Speaker 6 (18:57): Because notice the next day, it was like, let me apologize to La la. Let me look good in front of the TV. Apologize to my wife. He

Unknown Speaker (19:05): didn't mean it.

Unknown Speaker (19:06): I don't know if that was really genuine.

Speaker 5 (19:08): There were so many moments in this episode that were so deeply uncomfortable from I will say that he wears a dress nicely and he's got the greatest legs. So you go, Danny. You're winning in that department.

Unknown Speaker (19:18): Yeah.

Speaker 5 (19:19): But but she reaches in she reaches in for a kiss, and he just looks at her with disdain. What was that about?

Speaker 6 (19:28): I don't know. I I feel like they need to go to a couple's therapist ASAP and I believe it. That's all I'm saying. He needs to learn how to communicate in my opinion.

Unknown Speaker (19:43): He has to want to learn how to communicate and to elevate his wife. Bring the

Unknown Speaker (19:48): Bible right

Speaker 5 (19:48): to, shall we? Bone of my bone, flesh of my flesh, love your wife as you do yourself. So is this is this how you express your own self love through demeaning this woman?

Speaker 6 (19:58): So his apology said he didn't. Remember I read the apology to you, but then now we know why he needed to apologize, and it was bad.

Unknown Speaker (20:08): Yeah. I was so busy trying to figure out what I was having for dinner while you were reading that, that I didn't really lock in to that. Love

Unknown Speaker (20:15): it. Some salmon and some brussels sprouts. That's what I'm Oh, doing right

Unknown Speaker (20:20): do you know that that is like one of my favorite meals?

Speaker 6 (20:22): Oh my god. We we always you guys, we always realize how 20 we are, and we just randomly met. So it's funny. That is always my go to meal too. Oh, and I love asparagus, and I love

Unknown Speaker (20:37): Oh, you can keep this here.

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Speaker 6 (22:23): I love a potato. A baked potato.

Speaker 5 (22:25): A potato is my thing. Oh my gosh. Good baked potatoes. You know, Larson's, excellent baked potato. Craig's got a good baked potato.

Unknown Speaker (22:35): Oh. That's a great baked potato. Like, literally five star restaurant cuisine. BJ's. Really?

Speaker 5 (22:44): Yes.

Speaker 6 (22:44): Is it like the frozen pack of baked potato? I'm so gonna get it. No. Or just the potato and you bake it. Because I'm picturing like

Unknown Speaker (22:53): Girl, BJ's the restaurant. What are you talking about?

Speaker 6 (22:56): Oh, we don't have that. Oh, okay. Oh my god. No. Because our BJ's is like a Costco.

Speaker 6 (23:03): You guys don't have that?

Unknown Speaker (23:05): We have a Costco, but we no. BJ's is a restaurant. BJ's Brewery.

Unknown Speaker (23:08): We come down here in a couple weeks.

Unknown Speaker (23:09): I'll I'll bring you there. One of the best baked potatoes.

Speaker 6 (23:12): Have to. No. And it's funny. I now that's why you were looking at me like I'm crazy because we have a Costco and it's just called BJ's.

Unknown Speaker (23:21): Okay. Well, can't wait to check

Unknown Speaker (23:23): You it need, a membership card and everything. But, yeah, you will cook for me and you will take me out.

Unknown Speaker (23:31): I will cook for you?

Unknown Speaker (23:33): You should cook for me.

Speaker 5 (23:34): I'm going to bring you to my mother's house.

Unknown Speaker (23:37): Oh, I would love some home

Unknown Speaker (23:39): She will cook for you. My mother isn't anything cooked. Can, she

Unknown Speaker (23:42): can cook,

Unknown Speaker (23:43): eat all the tacos, the spaghetti. Yeah. Makes me want to take a drive out right now and go get some. Let's go back to, can we just talk about Zach and how gorgeous he was?

Speaker 6 (23:55): He, oh my God, Zach and Luke made beautiful women.

Unknown Speaker (24:01): Luke. Could believe that Luke was wedding.

Unknown Speaker (24:05): Luke was Isn't it funny how he has a crush on the little mermaid, but he made himself look like Ariel, like with the red wing?

Unknown Speaker (24:13): I love the bellwits. He might

Unknown Speaker (24:15): as well had a fork in his hand and like brushed his hair with a fork. I think he was trying to be Ariel. He had the hair. I don't know.

Unknown Speaker (24:24): Well, I thought that that contest was so fun to watch. Cute. Come on, Jesse, come on Jesse with the halter top.

Speaker 6 (24:32): Jesse, that's when you fall and you get right back up. I love that for you.

Unknown Speaker (24:38): You know what? Here's what I like about Jesse. He doesn't take himself too seriously. No. He understands the assignment.

Unknown Speaker (24:44): Whatever the assignment is, be ready. That's me.

Unknown Speaker (24:47): I relate

Speaker 5 (24:48): to that. I relate to that. Everybody knows. Everybody knows that if there's a theme party, the first question I'm asking is, is there a contest? Got it.

Speaker 5 (24:57): And then I and then I get to work.

Speaker 6 (25:01): And I never care or win. I'm the opposite. I'm like La la on the after show when she said she said something about not being competitive. And I was like, I feel that girl. Oh, no.

Speaker 6 (25:13): She hates a theme. That's what she was saying. I was like, girl, I'm right there with you. I don't even like Halloween.

Unknown Speaker (25:19): Give me a theme. Give me a theme.

Speaker 6 (25:23): I try to look as normal as possible on Halloween, just so I don't have to go out there and do that.

Speaker 5 (25:29): I, I went to a James Bond, costume party a while back. That's cute. That was fun. It was the couple's birthday. They both had their birthday on the same day and, it was a double of seven party.

Speaker 5 (25:44): And so they were dressed up like James Bond and everybody had their. Their best Bond girl. So of course I went to Pinterest and start researching. Okay. How about Bond girl?

Unknown Speaker (25:54): You know, because I'm not wearing the Halle Berry bathing suit anytime soon. Those days are gone, but, I found a nice little Halston dress that I just, put

Unknown Speaker (26:03): in chains

Speaker 5 (26:04): and the glasses and was like, let's go.

Speaker 6 (26:06): I Tom Schwartz didn't make a beautiful woman. Sorry, Tom. I had to be with Kristen on that. She's like, he's my Tom. What did you guys do to him?

Unknown Speaker (26:21): Oh my gosh. I

Speaker 6 (26:22): thought glasses.

Unknown Speaker (26:25): But the thing about Tom well, yeah, Michelle, you did him dirty, but the thing about Tom is that he doesn't care.

Unknown Speaker (26:32): He doesn't. I love him.

Unknown Speaker (26:35): He he does not care. He does not care whatsoever. So I'm here for that. I I'm so here for Tom Schwartz. He's he, he cracks me up.

Speaker 5 (26:46): He really does.

Speaker 6 (26:47): Schwartz is like quintessential LA, right? Like when you think of a guy, he's just like peace and vibes. I think

Speaker 5 (26:57): he, Jesse and Zach would be quintessential LA men. So you got, you got the whole gamut.

Unknown Speaker (27:04): You're rhyming.

Speaker 5 (27:05): Yeah. If you were gonna put the cast involved in it. Yeah. I would think, I think that.

Speaker 6 (27:09): And I like Zach a lot.

Unknown Speaker (27:11): Oh yes. Yes.

Speaker 6 (27:13): Aw. He's a nice guy.

Speaker 5 (27:14): He's definitely one of the moral authorities on the show.

Speaker 6 (27:17): He is. And he's the tallest man, I think. Yeah. So they're probably like, woah. Don't

Unknown Speaker (27:22): He is I will attest that he and Tom Schwartz are very tall.

Speaker 6 (27:27): Oh, right. I forget Schwartz is also tall.

Speaker 5 (27:30): Yes. Extremely tall. You're like, oh my gosh. Okay.

Unknown Speaker (27:33): Did you see Luke as well?

Unknown Speaker (27:35): No. Oh. No. But again, this is a good episode. It's

Unknown Speaker (27:41): No, heating that's a fun one.

Unknown Speaker (27:43): And let me, well, it wasn't entirely fun in the beginning.

Unknown Speaker (27:45): Not the beginning.

Unknown Speaker (27:47): Let me

Speaker 5 (27:47): tell you what I liked about it is that that fourth wall is being broken. And I think if we can end on this is that I think we're learning that Nia is really the architect of optics as it relates to that relationship.

Unknown Speaker (28:02): Seems to

Speaker 5 (28:03): be so much to protect. There's always a course correction behind the scenes that production, I gotta give it to you guys. You're really good at catching that hot mic when they're like, take your microphone off microphone. You're you're on, you're on camera. You know, your mic is on, you know, what are you trying to hide?

Speaker 6 (28:18): She's like, Then stop talking. She was so mad

Unknown Speaker (28:23): She was very mad.

Speaker 6 (28:25): For her to even argue in front of the cameras, you know it has to be bad. But yeah, it's like your mics are on, your mic's on. It's like, dude, just have an argument. It's fine. It's normal.

Speaker 5 (28:37): But, but my question is this man you're sitting across from him and you're leading the discussion about why he should apologize to you and a real man. Let's say he had a bad night. Let's see, let's say he did all the things as we saw him do. And he had a

Unknown Speaker (28:54): really awful My

Speaker 5 (28:57): hope is that he would have woken up post hangover and then like,

Speaker 6 (29:05): Yeah. Messed up. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (29:08): Let me talk to you and be motivated by reconciling with your wife, then trying to optically show up with a faint apology that didn't land. He could not have been more disconnected in his, how they were sitting, how he was just He was so disconnected. And I have to wonder, his, cause he said something very important in his drunken state that he's very competitive.

Speaker 6 (29:36): Right.

Speaker 5 (29:36): And so how much does his competitive nature factor in to just wanting to win? And I want to win every battle I have with my wife. I want to win every battle I have with Janet. I wanna win. I wanna win.

Speaker 5 (29:47): I'm always right. I wanna win. I wanna win, you know, and it's just, it's, it's really heart, heart wrenching and awful to watch. And at the same time we are seeing a real marriage on the cusp of fracture.

Unknown Speaker (29:59): Yeah.

Speaker 5 (30:01): Didn't you wanna just see Nia cash in her Latina card and be like, yo.

Speaker 6 (30:07): Yes. Yes. I wanted to see Nia cuss him out. Sorry, not sorry. I wanted to see her take authority

Unknown Speaker (30:19): Thank and you. Say That is the best here, Kat.

Speaker 6 (30:21): You do not talk to me like this ever. That's what I would I'm thinking the things I would do are nothing compared to what you would do, but at least yell and say, you are never going to talk to me like this again.

Speaker 5 (30:36): That's what I'm talking about. That's what I wanted to see. I wanted to see her win in that moment. Me, if she took authority over her own narrative and really own the fact that she's being really treated really terribly to put it nicely, then that maybe would open her up to be a little bit more receptive to Janet's apology, which I think is very authentic in the moment.

Speaker 6 (30:58): Yeah. No, you're right. Because why is Nia not receptive to Janet's apology? Like, that is a little strange. Most people would take apologies.

Speaker 6 (31:10): I mean, depending on what a person did, of course, but that wasn't that bad to me. So yeah. Why is she so anti apology, but then Daniel doesn't even need to apologize.

Speaker 5 (31:24): Not anymore at this point. You did it. And I think what was really kind of heartwrenching to watch is that you could see Janet shrinking when that apology wasn't accepted.

Unknown Speaker (31:34): Yes.

Speaker 5 (31:37): And it's like, and the face was saying to me, okay, B, I tried, but here you go.

Unknown Speaker (31:42): Yeah. Like, again with you, that's what I was getting.

Speaker 5 (31:48): But nobody deserves to grovel that much. If the apology is authentic, if the effort is proactive and authentic, you did your due diligence, it's up to them to accept it. And she has a right not to accept it. True. But why not just accept it?

Speaker 6 (32:00): We're just seeing how they're so religious, but how hypocritical it is to hold something like this for so long just for both of them.

Speaker 5 (32:10): It's a weird heel to die on.

Speaker 6 (32:13): Me too. And he's a man. And like you said, he was yelling at women. He's competitive, and he looks at everything as competition. Well, you shouldn't be talking to your wife in in terms of, I hope I win.

Speaker 6 (32:27): If you win, it could be worse. Like, you're sleeping on the couch.

Speaker 5 (32:32): What? I'm sorry, guys. I'm gonna you guys audience, I'm gonna apologize in advance. And I know I'm feeling kind of out of my element because I'm really just kind of going hard in the pain on this because I, but this is this emotional abuse towards women is. I don't love it.

Speaker 5 (32:50): And, and I just feel like I need to speak out on it. If you have, we all wanna win. The most women have like a healthy relationship with winning. That some we lose some, the loo, the loss is still a win because I have another opportunity to win again, healthy relationship with her. Right.

Speaker 6 (33:07): Right.

Speaker 5 (33:08): But he seems to have a real over focus on winning, which leads me to question the inverse of over focus on winning is do you feel like a loser inside?

Speaker 6 (33:21): Thank you for saying it that way, Elle, because that's what I couldn't verbalize. Is competition needed with your female friend when you're just playing a game or with her wife when you're trying to have a conversation? No, it's not. That's what I'll see. Competition isn't needed in every situation.

Speaker 5 (33:40): It's not needed in every situation. It's just a very odd dynamic, but you know what? I do appreciate that we are seeing, And I'm going go ahead and give a nod to production on this one. You know, they're not missing a beat and capturing this, which I think in this case production, you're giving a real instructive lesson to women who are probably going through the same thing. They're seeing their stuff play out too, and maybe it can be possibly empowering.

Speaker 5 (34:05): But honestly, that's all I have for the valley. Back next week.

Speaker 6 (34:10): I was gonna say, I think this was a good episode and it was also good in these situations because the way La la really took hold of that situation and said, Woah, woah, woah. I'm getting really triggered with And how you're talking to it just started with that one little line. You don't have to curse anybody out, but if you see something, say something. Because you never know when a woman needs you to say something for her and then she's like, See, it's not normal.

Unknown Speaker (34:39): Yeah. Well, what are we having for lunch?

Unknown Speaker (34:45): I know. Right? Are we having that salmon and those pretzel sprouts?

Speaker 5 (34:49): No, I'm actually having, reheating some enchiladas from one of my favorite places to eat salsa and beer. I've never had their beer because I don't like beer, but their salsa and their food is exceptional. Hands down one of the best Mexican food places to eat at. If you want to just have a quick meal and aesthetically, I don't love it, but I love the food I love to bring it back here and sit on my couch and watch the valley. I did sit on my couch and watch the valley and eat this.

Unknown Speaker (35:21): Before you knew it, I was in a food coma.

Speaker 6 (35:25): Yeah. Mexican food could be like that sometimes.

Speaker 5 (35:28): I'm going to finish that journey. Finishing that journey. But until then a time was had, Hey guys, you know what? This topic is obviously very visceral to us. And for those of you who follow us on YouTube, what do you think about apologies?

Speaker 5 (35:43): What do you think about Janet's apology and Nia's response to it, which was not receptive? And what do you think about the Danny of it all? Do you think that La la was isolated? And do you think that it was fair for her to battle Dani on her own? I mean, you know, it really was the reckoning of Napoleon Bonaparte two point zero, and I applaud her for that, but didn't have to do that on our own.

Unknown Speaker (36:13): And with We shouldn't

Unknown Speaker (36:14): have had to.

Speaker 5 (36:15): Yeah. With that, it's been a time. Time has been had. Had has been We'll see you on the other side. Kat, I'll see you on

Unknown Speaker (36:25): Monday. I'm like, girl, we only have one day off.

Unknown Speaker (36:29): Yeah, I know we do. Have the mic on Sunday because I have, I have one other thing to talk about, but I gotta go.

Unknown Speaker (36:35): Awesome.

Unknown Speaker (36:36): All right.

Unknown Speaker (36:38): All right. Bye everyone. This is great.

Unknown Speaker (36:41): Bye. Yes. Always. Bye.

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