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Speaker 3 (1:07): Episode had so much frenetic energy. I honestly didn't know what I was watching, from slam pig beauty contest to housewives hiding under the table and car rides from hell. It was just literally a lot to take in. Honestly, I was so confused. I literally felt like Ashley and just wanted to scream.

Unknown Speaker (1:26): There's just so much going on.

Speaker 4 (1:29): Poor Ashley was confused the entire episode. She was scared. Hid under tables and so did everybody else.

Unknown Speaker (1:37): Yes.

Speaker 4 (1:38): But at the end of the day, Kelsey owned her slam pig era, and that's all that matters. She owned it. She sashed it up and she said, yeah, that's what I am. And poor Rosie.

Speaker 3 (1:51): Well, knowing thyself is very important to, to success in life. So I'm so glad she's self actualized. And with that, let's get right on into it. Let's get into it. Let's go.

Speaker 3 (2:09): This was so much chaotic energy. I mean that when I say it. And honestly, I think some of the layers off of these ladies is really starting to unravel. Let's go ahead and start with Kelsey. I'm thinking that we're seeing a growing feud that will probably persist throughout not only this season, but the lifetime of this franchise.

Speaker 3 (2:35): And that's Kelsey and Rosie. I think they'll end up becoming friends later, but not anytime soon.

Speaker 4 (2:43): Oh my God. There was Melissa and Teresa.

Unknown Speaker (2:46): That's right.

Speaker 4 (2:47): There Tamara and Gretchen. I think this is going to be one of those big feuds of our Bravo times. They'll probably still be beefing by season eight. These two.

Unknown Speaker (3:00): Season eight? Let's hope that. Let's hope that.

Unknown Speaker (3:03): They probably will until they finally link up, You know?

Speaker 3 (3:07): Right. You know, Kelsey is definitely giving so much hypocrisy. And

Speaker 4 (3:17): She is. What is her obsession with this house? I Which, by the way, it is 8,000 square feet because they're done building it. Well, good for her.

Unknown Speaker (3:28): Good for

Unknown Speaker (3:29): Kelsey.

Speaker 3 (3:30): But but Kelsey is really showing up to me like Danielle Staub, and I don't know how much of she's messy. She is messy, messy as

Unknown Speaker (3:41): hell.

Speaker 3 (3:41): This one is a messy, messy, messy, messy boots. And I'm sorry. Anybody came up to my house with a bullhorn to shame me and my square footage, yeah, I'm going in. And when you roll the tape, she was the one that actually pushed Rosie first.

Unknown Speaker (3:56): Yeah.

Speaker 3 (3:57): So I believe Rosie had every right to throw her out of her adorable, lovely house. But, you know, this debate about who's outrinking, who's sleeping with a married man. I mean, this premise of this argument is that Rosie is not honest about affairs that she has had and the money that was exchanged to buy a house. And I got to tell you, and I apologize in advance, mom, what I'm about to say, but I don't like to upset the mom. But this feud has a soundtrack.

Speaker 3 (4:28): And who would have ever thought that Kendrick Lamar would have been the soundtrack to the feud between Kelsey and Rosie. And all I kept thinking about was the most profound and prolific lyrics of Kendrick Lamar's TV off when he says, I hate a bitch that's hating on another bitch and they both hoes. Saying I'm that these two women are hoes. Okay. That's not even a term that I really get down with, but these women have a past with men, very possibly.

Speaker 3 (5:06): And Kelsey, you are literally the textbook definition of a sugar baby. Literally. With no home to call her own with your name on the deed. Exactly. To comfort Rosie, I think is way out of pocket.

Speaker 3 (5:26): I think it's way out of pocket. And part of me feels that it's very performative. Maybe she's being a little performative, like looking for things and looking for trying to throw rocks and hide hands. But it's Kelsey's not landing for me this week.

Speaker 4 (5:44): She's not landing for me either. I don't think the honking of the horn with the air thing was funny. I didn't find it funny. I didn't laugh. And she had she does have a no noise ordinance in her neighborhood.

Speaker 4 (5:59): At the end of the day, you are a cop. Said that. At the end of the day, they're both so similar, I think. But Rosie's so buttoned up, like she would never do that, what Kelsey did. And Kelsey is free.

Speaker 4 (6:17): She's like, listen, I'll do whatever I have to do for a free apartment, a nice house, which by the way, I've been hearing so much that they were broken up for two years. That that's really true. Yeah. That's turned out to be like practically a fact, but allegedly, I'm going say allegedly because nobody could really prove that nobody really saw her for two years. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (6:44): But yeah, apparently they've been broken up this whole time. So she lied to us too. Well, yeah. And that's, and that's the thing, Kat.

Speaker 3 (6:51): It's like, it really diminishes her credibility. And for me, I don't wanna watch her because I feel like now everything that she's doing may in fact be super performative. She's giving I've gotta be the center of attention. I've gotta be the most controversial one. And I don't really find any depth to her.

Speaker 3 (7:07): I don't find her that interesting to watch at this point. But who I did find interesting to watch that brought me such joy was, Jared and Ashley, shopping for chocolate bars for their cute little trivia night.

Unknown Speaker (7:21): That was cute.

Speaker 3 (7:22): And Ashley got to see his personality.

Unknown Speaker (7:25): Come on. Know. He smiled for a while.

Unknown Speaker (7:27): I know. Oh my god. Oh my gosh. What is happening in Rhode Island over there? He's smiling.

Speaker 3 (7:34): They are so lovely together.

Unknown Speaker (7:37): No. He said he's actually happy.

Speaker 3 (7:40): Actually happy. They're really cute together, but I do like how he stepped up and put a boundary down and said, listen, I don't want drama in my trivia night. But I also think that it put Ashley in an impossible position to choose Kelsey or Rosie to invite. And I don't know. In that situation, what would you do?

Speaker 3 (8:05): I think I would just invite both of them and be like, that's on you. You better resolve it before you come here or don't come. I think the onus should be on them whether they're gonna come or not. I wouldn't wanna be put in that situation.

Speaker 4 (8:16): Especially being Ashley, Ashley, not being a housewife, not she's new. They're all new. They don't know how it works. So I'm sure that Ashley, I think probably didn't want production to be mad at her. She probably didn't know how to go about not inviting somebody because, you know, production says when it's an all cast, it's an all cast.

Unknown Speaker (8:39): Like they all have to be there. Yeah. I think she's just not ready to tell them no.

Speaker 3 (8:46): I worry about her fitness as a housewife on this cast.

Unknown Speaker (8:50): Me too.

Unknown Speaker (8:52): I really do. I really do.

Unknown Speaker (8:53): Let's talk about it.

Speaker 3 (8:55): Yeah. I I I wanna get into that, when we get to the trivia night, but I I Okay. And we'll get into that more deeply. But just even her reaction at the trivia night and, really truly crashing out and not being able to handle all of the multiple darts and conflict. I mean Yeah.

Speaker 3 (9:16): Darts that were being thrown between Rosie and, Kelsey. And then you've got Liz really getting in there and stirring that pot, man. She is really in there, you know, the sous chef of drama right now, just really getting it stoking the flames. Her and Jo Ellen are a couple of messy boots.

Unknown Speaker (9:35): They really are.

Speaker 3 (9:37): Yeah. Messy stilettos in the house. And just her capacity to manage that and kinda crashing out like she did made me wonder is she is this reaction because it she truly does not have the resilience to Kind of just sit there and let this stuff roll off your shoulders, or was she feeling so pressured for the ladies not to basically act a fool in her husband's, you know, restaurant because he had told her I don't want any of this drama here. Was she feeling that kind of external pressure? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (10:09): But just overall, she just seems very, very, very sensitive, which is an amazing quality in real life, but it doesn't land well with these groups because Liz told us last week, we're not checking for sensitivity, basically.

Speaker 4 (10:24): Yeah. Liz does not care about sensitivity. She's like, All right, all right. She's just so She'll let a fight happen right in front of her and not try to stop it. That's Liz.

Speaker 3 (10:37): Does. I mean, you know, and I don't know if she can take the licks and the hits. You know? I I worry about if she's able to do that.

Speaker 4 (10:45): No. Me too. Because this episode at Audrey's, you could tell she's really upset and it's not just for the cameras. Like her chest is heaving. The veins are coming out of her neck.

Speaker 4 (10:57): She's literally like, like perspirating because I think she was so worried about, and it's something bad happening at Audrey's. She's like, I can't do this. I can't do this. You guys And she just hides. What is she gonna do when Kelsey comes for her?

Speaker 3 (11:16): Oh, she's gonna implode under a table. Was gonna find the nearest table and crawl. What was the under the table stuff? I mean, I haven't, I haven't seen that since I was a kid. That's what I used to do as a kid.

Unknown Speaker (11:27): Go hide under my grandmother's table. It was my safety face. Played it.

Unknown Speaker (11:30): But like, what was that? I didn't understand I what didn't was school for fun. And I remembered when she said the gum. She was like, watch out. There's gum under the table.

Speaker 4 (11:39): And then somebody actually went like this. Like she lowered her head. I don't know what that's about. Liz did it first. Then Ashley copied off of her because it was probably a sanctuary for her.

Speaker 4 (11:50): Like, oh Lord, get me out of this fight. But I don't know why Liz did that. I don't know. I think she was trying to be funny. She also might be looking for her place in the group.

Unknown Speaker (12:01): Do you think that about Liz?

Speaker 3 (12:03): No, I think Liz knows exactly where she's at.

Speaker 4 (12:06): Always say that because we never really see her in Jerry. We always see her intermingling with the women and and causing a problem or just like reacting to it. I would like to see more of her dynamic maybe next season.

Speaker 3 (12:21): Yeah. I think maybe what we're seeing is the establishment of her as an archetype, which is that stir the pot. Oh, it'll come up. It it it it'll it'll definitely go down, especially with this Dino mess that's happening. Probably, we'll see this season.

Speaker 3 (12:38): We'll probably see it more next season where she's probably gonna be held accountable for all of that. But, I think her role is to just be right there in the center of all things, moving storyline along, kind of producing really, her and Jo Ellen, honestly.

Speaker 4 (12:52): Yeah. Jo Ellen and her are definitely But the two I do think Ashley and Jared bring levity. Do you at least think that? Like they bring the comedic relief to the show.

Unknown Speaker (13:05): I don't see them as comedy at all.

Speaker 4 (13:07): Really? I see them as goofy, but I see other people as maybe thinking they're funny. Like when she picked up the chocolate and said, look at the size of this thing. Like, I feel like she's trying to be funny.

Unknown Speaker (13:19): She is.

Unknown Speaker (13:20): Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:20): I see her kinda struggling to find her place, which makes it hard to watch her sometimes.

Speaker 4 (13:25): And you could tell the other women aren't really friends with her except for Rosie. Her and Rosie are really good friends.

Unknown Speaker (13:34): Well, my understanding is that she doesn't hang out with the cast at all.

Unknown Speaker (13:38): Not even Rosie?

Speaker 3 (13:39): I don't know about Rosie, but just as a regular, like all of the ladies hang out, my understanding is that she's not a big part of that with any level of consistency. So maybe that's the disconnect we're seeing. Anybody has comic relief, it's Rosie and her husband. I think they're adorably cute. Love their 1,500 square foot house.

Speaker 3 (13:57): Can't wait to see what 8,000 square feet looks like, but I just love, I love that he sings Frank Sinatra and, you know? And she's she she's kinda she she makes me smile when she comes on camera. She really does. She is not afraid. That girl is not afraid.

Speaker 4 (14:12): Good. She's not afraid. I love Rosie and her marriage, and I love that her and Rich are so close, like they're best friends. I really like that.

Speaker 3 (14:26): So here's somebody that we haven't seen, and I'm trying to figure out what is actually happening because we have Rula and Brian's marriage, which seems to be a central core conflict this season. And we don't really see Rula. You know, we saw her on the beach and then we didn't see her anymore. She's not at the trivia nights. She's not.

Unknown Speaker (14:49): I know.

Speaker 3 (14:50): She's kind of filmed like an isolation. And then we have Rando Amanda enters the chat off the beach, this random girl, Amanda. I didn't understand what that was about.

Speaker 4 (15:02): That was funny. It seemed real.

Speaker 3 (15:05): But I do like, though, how she named

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Speaker 3 (16:01): That her light was bright at one time, but it's being dimmed. And you kinda get the feeling based on that conversation at the beach that she kinda knows that there's a possibility that Brian ain't right.

Unknown Speaker (16:17): Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (16:20): You you kinda denial.

Unknown Speaker (16:23): She's in denial, I think, though.

Speaker 3 (16:26): Yeah. Yeah. You just kinda got that feeling.

Speaker 4 (16:31): When Rula said, this is what got me. When she said I don't remember who she said it to. It was probably in her confessionals because like you said, she's hardly among the group. She said, I remember the way he used to worship me. And I felt that.

Speaker 4 (16:49): Oh my god. Did I that literally touched my actual heart. I was like, oh, this hurts. Because it's like if that if my husband just one day after years and years decided to just be this mean different person, I would be breaking too. I think she wants to

Unknown Speaker (17:10): No, no. Go, please.

Speaker 4 (17:11): No. I just think she wants to believe that her life is the fairytale she made it to be. Like she got this good job. They have this beautiful house. They had these kids and now he's allegedly cheating.

Speaker 4 (17:24): And I think she just can't handle it. Like her perfect life is all going away.

Speaker 3 (17:29): Yeah, it's it's the perfect life. It's the religion aspect. It's the cultural aspect and the emphasis on divorce. And now I'm gonna be a divorced divorcee twice, which has looked down on her culture. My understanding that allegedly Brian has asked her for a divorce multiple times and she doesn't move on it.

Speaker 3 (17:46): And so this is the allegations that I've read and heard, that this is kind of maybe his way of pushing her to give him the divorce that he wants to be with this other woman, which he's gonna turn around and do to her again. So I don't know what that's about.

Unknown Speaker (18:06): She's still with her apparently. Allegedly.

Speaker 3 (18:10): Yeah. So allegedly that's what's happening. So she knows. She knows now her ability to be transparent about that with the group is a whole different thing. So that's probably why we don't see her on camera as much.

Speaker 3 (18:22): I want to see more of Rula. There's something fascinating about her. And I think deep down inside, there's a really, really sensitive, beautiful soul out there who's just probably afraid to be divorced again. And then we have Alicia, who's such a girl's girl. I mean, I applaud her for Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:44): Saying, no, Joellen. I am not bringing any bones to that dinner. I'm gonna leave those bones right there in your hands and you can bring them yourself. And I love that. Her evolution that we saw on this episode where she was able to first say on that beach that, Hey, That how I'm responding to Brian and my relationship is really rooted in her own childhood watching her mother take her father back due to financial dependence and.

Speaker 3 (19:18): You understand why she is kind of so reluctant to hold Brian accountable. She basically doesn't have a husband. She has a loyal boyfriend who's not cheating on her physically, but cheating on her financially by isolating her away from the finances and not putting her in the driver's seat. And can we just give it up to her and her daughter Selena, who must be the most iconic child of the whole Bravo verse? They did.

Speaker 3 (19:52): I mean, she did that. This woman, Alicia, is smarter and has so much agency more than, probably Brian gives her credit for. And I love how she just took Rula's advice and went in and owned it. And yeah, I'm getting proud of Pizza Mama and it's gonna look like this and this is it. And I said what I said, period.

Speaker 3 (20:09): Know? Yes. But, my heart broke for her in that car ride from Helen. I know that's what we really wanna get into in this issue of homelessness.

Speaker 4 (20:17): Yes. But before that, I do wanna agree with you that it was so cute. She had us believing it was just this like scientific fair presentation. But if you look at the screen, she really had all that information on the TV. So bravo, Alicia, you did amazing.

Speaker 4 (20:35): That was great.

Speaker 3 (20:36): Yeah. Her and Canva were really working on that PowerPoint, which is a gorgeous PowerPoint. Absolutely gorgeous.

Speaker 4 (20:42): I'm sure Chatuchu Pizzi was used a lot, or a My

Speaker 3 (20:46): heart broke for her in that car ride those feelings are really real. First of all, before we get into that, though, the charcuterie board in the car. Which looked I

Unknown Speaker (21:02): was like, how are you gonna do this, you guys? And who wants to eat it after it's been in the car for hours, it's fallen on the floor?

Unknown Speaker (21:11): It is wild, right?

Speaker 4 (21:14): They're like, It fell. She's like, Oh, it's okay.

Speaker 3 (21:18): The thing with the term homeless, and it's such a semantic point of view because literally Alicia was right.

Speaker 4 (21:31): She was homeless. She was homeless. Yes. We are so together. I didn't know what you were going to say, but I'm so passionate that she was homeless.

Speaker 4 (21:40): She did not have a home. That's what it is.

Speaker 3 (21:43): Right. And there's a blah, McKinney Vento, and that educational codes like how here in California. But so yeah, under the McKinney Vento Act, which I believe is federal, there are different levels to what qualifies as homelessness. So when she said she was homeless, I totally understood what she meant. Me too.

Speaker 3 (22:02): Because that could mean, you know, and it's basically based on the extent to which a residence is stationary, permanent, or subject to change. And they look at how it's, how, how it's consistently used on a nightly basis. Is it adequate and functionally sufficient for meeting physical, psychological needs typically expected in a home? So if a family is doubled up sharing housing with other people due to loss of housing, economic hardship, similar reasons, that's considered homeless. They're living temporarily in a motel, a hotel, a trailer park, a campground due to lack of alternative housing, that is considered homeless or even a campground or living in an emergency transitional shelter.

Speaker 3 (22:49): Then the list goes on. So in her case, she was considered homeless because she was doubling up and sharing housing with people due to loss of her primary house. And that's what she met. People think homeless, oh, you're not living on the street. That's just only like one part of

Unknown Speaker (23:11): it. Right. They assumed you're really unhoused. Because now they call it unhoused, but we'll use homeless for this case since Yeah, they

Speaker 3 (23:19): like I I use the word unhoused too.

Speaker 4 (23:21): But they used homeless, so we should just. Yeah. But she's right, her mother actually in a scene saying, Your father took everything from us. We had to live in the basement. Yes.

Speaker 4 (23:36): And even her own mother said we were homeless. So that's the wife of the man who took her house away. You can't really argue with that. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:45): She was, and, and, and, and it's not even, so now you have this federal definition that we just went over and you guys can Google the McKinney Vento act. It's all there. Okay. And if you cross reference it with New Jersey, it's the same, it's the same law no matter where you go in The States. Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:05): There's also the psychological piece of I'm out of my home. Out of my home, my safe space, my four walls that raised me. I'm not there anymore. So for her as a child, psychologically, she probably thought, yes, I'm homeless. But she was all the way a thousand percent on the right.

Speaker 3 (24:23): It was the height of insensitivity to continually to berate and argue a very emotional point. It's like literally trying to make a moment happen that just needed just to just to die. And on this point, Joellen, I'm glad she was trying to like

Unknown Speaker (24:43): help mediate.

Speaker 3 (24:44): I really, yeah, she's got a heart and, and something about Joellen. Just find her so fascinating to watch, but, yeah, you know, I think Alicia and Rosie are probably the two most honest cast I members

Speaker 4 (24:56): on that do too. And I felt so bad for Alicia because she was trying to explain with all her might to her best friend, quote unquote, Liz, I didn't have a home. I was homeless. Like, how else can I explain this to you? Yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:13): Because they were. Like, having to go live with your grandma, that doesn't mean you have an address. Like, that's the thing. Exactly. Do you have a physical address?

Speaker 4 (25:23): Are you sleeping? Whether you're sleeping in your car or you're lucky enough to have family, it's temporary. You're sleeping on couches. You're sleeping here, sleeping there. They had to wait for her mom to somehow get another house.

Speaker 4 (25:38): So that's horrible.

Unknown Speaker (25:39): Yeah. I mean, she, she was transient, you know, she

Unknown Speaker (25:41): had a great experience,

Speaker 3 (25:43): you know, and that, and that, that is a deep experience. You know, my, one of my very, very, very first professional roles was working for the homeless in Skid Row at a shelter. I worked there for years and it was some of the best work I've ever done. I can't tell you, you know, there's a whole, I know we're getting off the deep end, but there's a whole misperception about unhoused people who are unfortunately unhoused and who they are and how they got there. I gotta tell you, they were some of the nicest individuals I've ever met.

Unknown Speaker (26:15): Were so honest.

Unknown Speaker (26:16): So much for

Speaker 3 (26:17): telling honest. And I learned so much, as to how they got there. And, and it was, you know, your Vietnam vets to your gamblers, to someone who played the stock market and down on their luck and they started drinking. And this is where they ended up from mothers that were kicked out of their homes.

Unknown Speaker (26:40): Mothers that happens a lot

Speaker 3 (26:42): out of their homes because of a husband, you know, who decided they were done. I'll never forget this one family and it kind of reminded me of her where. The husband sent the mom and the child out to the store to get milk or something like that or go grocery shopping, came back and the locks were changed. And all of a sudden they're sleeping on the sidewalk, they're sleeping in bushes. They are sleeping at different people's houses night to night, to night, to night, to night, to night.

Speaker 3 (27:17): That's a very, very real experience. So clearly Alicia's experience wasn't to that degree, but it was still, I'm transient. I don't have a address to call my own.

Speaker 4 (27:29): And thank you for sharing that because I'm also strongly supportive of unhoused individuals because I feel like we all live paycheck to paycheck now. Not all of us, but most Americans, and this is a fact, live paycheck to paycheck and most Americans can't afford a two bedroom apartment. So what can we do, especially during these times? If you get fired and if you're not married and you have a kid, what are you supposed to do? Literally?

Speaker 4 (28:00): Yeah. Unemployment doesn't come the next day, so. Yeah. It can happen to anyone.

Unknown Speaker (28:07): But, you know, I don't like the way Liz showed up this week. I'm gonna go ahead and put that out there. I really did love it.

Unknown Speaker (28:12): I don't either. She surprised me.

Speaker 3 (28:14): And I couldn't tell if she was having a moment and throwing her friend's experience, throwing her friend under the bus so she could have a moment to stand out as this shit stirrer. Excuse my language, but or what? But I just didn't. I didn't love this episode. I didn't love the stirring of the pot, but I know that that's why we watch it.

Speaker 3 (28:34): But I felt that the stirring of the pot of somebody's true emotional experience was didn't sit well with me. Stirring the pot over some BS, being called Santa Fe is funny, but like or whatever. But, like, this was her true lived experience, and I didn't love that. So that's why this week, the episode didn't land with me at all.

Speaker 4 (28:50): I found it so cold for Liz as a best friend to Alicia. And she even said, I'm, I'm familial. We were there since we were kids together. So then why are you doing this to her on TV? I didn't get that.

Speaker 4 (29:07): Why are you embarrassing her on TV like this?

Speaker 3 (29:11): MVP of the episode of Selena.

Speaker 4 (29:14): I loved her. She's so cute. Like, just come. The dad's like, why should I come? She's like, oh, come on.

Unknown Speaker (29:23): I got this note and I was wondering that like, is this my mom?

Speaker 4 (29:29): Okay. No, she's, she's so adorable. And that's why Alicia is so scared. And that's why she came up with that business plan for Pizza Mama, because first of all, she does deserve a stake in Pizza Mama. Hope she's on the deed like he said she is.

Speaker 4 (29:47): And I just know that she tweeted recently about money, so I don't think all is well in that household.

Speaker 3 (29:53): I would, I thought she should have asked for retroactive, put me on everything, give me all the things.

Unknown Speaker (30:00): You I know want to be on all of your accounts.

Unknown Speaker (30:03): All of it.

Unknown Speaker (30:03): That's what I would want.

Speaker 3 (30:05): Alicia is a lot smarter. Then people are probably giving her credit for at least of all Brian. She's she's on it the way she did that.

Unknown Speaker (30:17): Yeah, she was like I was like you go girl.

Speaker 3 (30:20): That was the most delightful part of this episode.

Speaker 4 (30:23): The car ride was great. That was great. I did like the episode because I found it funny at Audrey's.

Speaker 3 (30:30): Yes, I did too. Or Aubrey's as she called

Unknown Speaker (30:34): it. Oh, or Aubrey's.

Speaker 3 (30:36): I love Aubrey's. Can I just say while, before we close, you know, Potomac, Atlanta primarily has the best reads, but I gotta tell you, Rhode Island has some one liners that crack me up? And I I feel like I and this episode was full of one liners. Like, I feel like I need to go back and just, like, write them all down and do an Instagram post of the one.

Speaker 4 (31:02): We should. I wrote down.

Speaker 3 (31:04): But anyways, I gotta get my calisthenics up for you know what tonight. Know we've got Atlanta. We're gonna come back and, we're gonna come back and recap Atlanta later on this afternoon, but, I gotta get ready for the summerhouse of it all, honey. Oh my god.

Unknown Speaker (31:19): Oh my god. You guys, tonight, finally. Finally. I feel like we've been waiting for two years for this for you, man. Two years.

Speaker 4 (31:28): Two years. We've known they've been cheating for so long. Like, I cannot wait. Sierra Slade, Lindsey Slade.

Unknown Speaker (31:38): Can we talk about Mia on the red carpet? Mia is coming into her hot girl red carpet. I am that era. Mia is in me.

Speaker 4 (31:46): I know I'm gonna be asked for a season two era.

Speaker 3 (31:49): Oh, yes. Yeah. I'm I mean, I I honestly feel let me just end with this. I honestly feel like Lindsey, Sierra, even Mia are so much bigger than this show that they're on. I'm always a fan of short tenure on these shows, get out and do other things.

Speaker 3 (32:09): Literally, I just love that. And honestly, I have to think that sometimes those are the Real Housewives who can lead this franchise and and go and and slay. Let's like, let's give it up to Katie Janella and her new podcast that just launched yesterday. You guys check it out. They're three episodes deep.

Speaker 3 (32:26): They just launched yesterday. It's funny. It's witty. It's hilarious. It's unhinged in the best possible way.

Speaker 3 (32:32): But she is like the best housewife right now because she doesn't have a camera in front of her. She's living her best life. Garcelle, no camera in front of her, living her best life. Exactly. Kris Minkoff, living her best life.

Speaker 3 (32:42): You know? And you have some like Cynthia who are like kind of a friend of living your best life too. To me, having the courage to walk away from these cameras and just do life, you got in it, you got in there, you got out, you got what you needed. You gave us the funnies, you gave us drama, and you went on in on your merry way and kept living your best life and elevated it. To me, that's a that's a housewife.

Speaker 4 (33:06): It is. Even Lisa Rinna is doing great.

Speaker 3 (33:08): Oh my gosh. Yes.

Speaker 4 (33:09): She's doing fabulous on the reg her daughters are supermodels now. Congratulations.

Speaker 3 (33:15): Yeah. And it's not to invalidate other housewives that are actively filming because that is definitely the premise of the show. They're definitely killing it too. But I'm also thinking about those that can still resurrect themselves after leaving. You know, I just applaud that.

Speaker 3 (33:33): I applaud that because it's not an easy medium to leave. It's very addicting, as they say. It's hard to leave that.

Speaker 4 (33:38): Do say that fame is so addicting. The cameras are so addicting. They say you go through like a two year depression. Tamara said this once, that she went through a two year depression when she was off the show. That is so sad.

Unknown Speaker (33:52): Well, for a

Speaker 3 (33:53): lot of them, it's the first time that they've ever been truly seen.

Unknown Speaker (33:57): Without cameras. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:59): It's the first time that you've truly been seen with a camera in front of you. And if you didn't have really anything else going on in your life that could like really add to your value, your sense of self, and this is the first thing and you fall into this kind of faux celebrity ism that's literally just based on being visible in this space and causing drama. And the more drama you cause, the painless you get. Like, yeah, I could see where that could be addicting for somebody that probably didn't have much going on before this outside of

Unknown Speaker (34:31): just Oh, that is so like a Vicki Gunvalson, like a Brandy, Glenville. They're the ones who don't do so well.

Speaker 3 (34:38): I think Brandy's doing great though.

Speaker 4 (34:41): Now. Well, I hope so. She's got her podcast. I hope she's doing well.

Speaker 3 (34:45): But I don't think Brandi ever really needed like, I don't think she was really pandering to get back on the show because her self esteem needed it as much. I think she just

Unknown Speaker (34:56): it's just I don't know.

Speaker 3 (34:59): I like Brandi. I think she, you know how Vicky said that she was absolutely miserable for five years when she wasn't on the show?

Unknown Speaker (35:08): Like, she just

Speaker 3 (35:08): couldn't I didn't I haven't gotten a sense that Brandi was that type of housewife that she just couldn't pick up her life because she wasn't on the show. She always found a way to stay in the conversation.

Unknown Speaker (35:19): Mhmm.

Speaker 3 (35:20): But it was it didn't it doesn't seem like her self esteem was predicated on that. I'm gonna deep dive that and see what she has said about being off the show, but I've never gotten that sense that her self esteem rested on being a housewife.

Unknown Speaker (35:32): Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:32): Whereas Vicky's camera, oh my god, they just can't live without it. You know?

Speaker 4 (35:39): See Kelsey I see Kelsey, Jo Ellen as those two in this cast. Like, the ones who thrive in front of the camera the most, I would say it's Kelsey and Jo Ellen. Could

Unknown Speaker (35:50): be.

Speaker 4 (35:51): Not Rula. Although Rula is kind of like the heart of this show because she's so innocent. Her husband's out there doing whatever he wants, but I don't see her as like a fame hungry person. Yeah. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (36:05): Well

Speaker 3 (36:06): All right. Next up, Summer House. Yes. Reunion tonight. We'll be recapping that tomorrow and Atlanta coming to you later today.

Unknown Speaker (36:16): It was fun as always.

Unknown Speaker (36:18): Always good to be up this early and talking and doing the good work of the pod. Until then, we'll see you guys later. You know where to find us, thegoodeditunfiltered.com and, we'll see you on the other side.

Unknown Speaker (36:29): Bye, guys. Bye.

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