Unknown Speaker (0:14): Let me tell you something. Carl said it the best when he said, I've been doing this for ten years from the beginning, and what's been going on last month and a half is unlike anything we've ever experienced.

Speaker 1 (0:29): Let's be honest, it's probably been more than a month and a half, to be honest. But listen, man, I gotta tell you, took no notes on this one. I took no notes. And it was at certain point I'm like, we have to call in the reinforcements. We've got to call in some more aunties.

Speaker 1 (0:47): Auntie's here. Rally around Sierra. And we have Chelsea Raglan. She's back from mommy cigarette break at mommy cigarette I break on love that name. And of course, Kimberly Bryant from I am Kimberly Bryant.

Speaker 1 (1:04): Oh my gosh. So much. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome.

Speaker 1 (1:07): We needed help. We had to call in reinforcement. This might have been really did. No. We really did.

Speaker 1 (1:14): This might have been the most unapologetically unhinged reunion that I have ever seen in the Bravo history of reunions. And I think we could say scandal ball kind of came close. No. No. This this was this was something.

Unknown Speaker (1:34): Go ahead, darling. Go ahead, Kat.

Unknown Speaker (1:36): Between the leak between the three leaks and then Yes. The Kelsey, go ahead, please.

Speaker 2 (1:45): Okay. So for context, for your viewers, I don't watch summer house. Elle, you said you didn't take any notes. I did take notes. Then the mental note up when Amanda said that they only slept together after the statement was released, I was like, I literally have my notes lie in all caps.

Unknown Speaker (2:05): Cause that's what that was.

Unknown Speaker (2:06): Yeah. That's not true. That's not true. I don't even know you. But that's not true.

Speaker 2 (2:11): The only other thing I will say, just my, just my first impression of this is that Amanda lacks morals. So there's not really gonna be any getting through to her because she doesn't have morals, but I think Sierra might lack some emotional intelligence.

Unknown Speaker (2:31): Yeah. Yeah. I would go further back. Okay. Okay.

Unknown Speaker (2:37): Okay. I can see that.

Unknown Speaker (2:38): Yeah,

Speaker 2 (2:41): because I was just like, and y'all might have to add in context that obviously I don't have, but when I look at those clips, I think Wes was not into her and it didn't give to what it didn't give to me that he was like actively pursuing a relationship with her. Wes was fucked. And yes, like a fuck boy did what fuck boys do. And like, yeah, y'all might've had a smooch or y'all might've had more than that, but that doesn't mean that he was like looking for a relationship with you. And it seemed like, and I don't know what the context was of why Ciara and West decided to stop talking and then why she kind of opened that door up again.

Speaker 2 (3:24): But I think it's like looking at it as like, you know, just on the outside looking in, think we're all like, goodness gracious. We hate seeing our sis fall for that, fall for a fuck boy. And we've all been there before. Right.

Speaker 1 (3:38): Well, just speaking of historical context, and, Kimberly, I know you're a great historian, so help me. Kat is Kat is the queen of all things like goth nuance of goth. But just quick and dirty version, you know, when she started on Summerhouse first of all, Sierra was the first person on that show, and I continue to say that, where every man wanted her, but she didn't want any of them. And somehow it's the film for Austin of Southern charm. Okay?

Speaker 1 (4:06): Now before we get into all of that, I think she's had a rather difficult, erratic relationship with her dad

Unknown Speaker (4:15): Mhmm.

Speaker 1 (4:15): And has seen her mom make some decision making in terms of how her mom moved in relationships that maybe didn't provide the best, you know, example, you know, in in terms of how to teach her how to move through relationships, and there's a whole nuance to that. But anyway, so she falls for Austin. And you're right. Watching that, I don't know about you, Kat, but it was painful watching her move through the whole Austin of it all because Austin it was very clear what that was. It was very clear what that was and all of the southern things that go along with that.

Speaker 1 (4:49): Very clear what that was. And it was very painful to watch her kinda throw herself at the sky and it didn't land. And then she kinda she kinda matured up for a season. Right? Maybe season two.

Speaker 1 (4:59): And then West We thought. Well, she she came with more guardedness. Right? And so then Luke came in the picture, and she wasn't really trying to ride with Luke. Remember?

Speaker 1 (5:10): She didn't wanna rock with Luke and his maple syrup stuff that he does and tapping trees for maple that was not her thing. She says, don't call me after 09:00. So it was very clear she wasn't into Luke. And then in walks West. And I gotta be honest, Chelsea, all of us were confused.

Unknown Speaker (5:25): Why? Yeah. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (5:28): There's so many reasons. Intelligence wise.

Unknown Speaker (5:32): So many reasons.

Unknown Speaker (5:33): Smell wise. Even the picture didn't seem like there's anything there.

Unknown Speaker (5:37): But they had a relationship. Didn't did they not have a re they had a relationship?

Unknown Speaker (5:41): Yeah. They did. They were. Yeah. They were, they were dating.

Unknown Speaker (5:43): I don't know if they were ever, but were they officially boyfriend and girlfriend? I'm trying to recall. I don't think so. I don't think I don't think he ever put the girlfriend label on her, but he took her home to go visit, but that's what he does. Like, her home to her parents to visit.

Speaker 3 (5:56): Yeah, exactly. Yeah. But just to kind of follow-up what, Chelsea was saying, it's he's he's West is a fuck boy and he's a ho. So that's the way I always, always saw him. So no matter I felt like no matter who he found, he was going to do the same thing.

Speaker 3 (6:11): But it just it it was hard to see as as a black woman to watch another black woman because you saw her this happened to Sierra a few times. And and like she said, it's like it was it was embarrassing, thing for her to happen to her. But with West, it was just one of those things where it's like he wouldn't really solidly commit that she was in love with him.

Speaker 1 (6:29): Right. He took her home, met the parents, they went to a wedding together. Now we all know going to a wedding is usually like a telltale sign that you might be together. So it looks like all roles are pointing to them being together. And then he goes and does an interview with the New York Times, I believe it was.

Speaker 1 (6:47): Then the New York Times says, She's really not my person. And she's not knowing that. She read it in the New York Times and then she put him on, Yes, Yes.

Unknown Speaker (6:57): What year was this though?

Unknown Speaker (6:58): That was like two years ago.

Unknown Speaker (7:01): The almost beginning of when West came on the show, right? This was the first year, but after it was over. Right. Because they dated, they were talking, they were flirting, but then the way he made it seem was like, woah, crazy.

Unknown Speaker (7:24): Like no,

Speaker 2 (7:24): you don't get to do it. Hard for me to watch. I'm sorry. The racial undertones are there. I can't watch my sister offer this white guy and he, and he playing her face like this.

Speaker 2 (7:35): It just, It just didn't happen. And so for me, it's like, I'm not saying that it's Sierra's fault by any means because we've all been there. We've all fallen for the fuck boy, called dope. Know what mean? Sometimes we go back one, two times.

Speaker 2 (7:49): This is on national TV though. So the all America gets to see it. Number two, the racial undertones of it. Once he did that interview with the New York Times, I would have been done. It doesn't seem to me like there's any investment.

Speaker 2 (8:05): And I don't even know based on what you're saying, if there ever was on West's part. So I think it's just tough to watch Ciara, like obviously broken up and like obviously heartbroken over somebody that's like, even when they asked West about the house situation, I was like, West doesn't give a about the house. Like, it

Unknown Speaker (8:24): does. Right. Yeah. I know. I was like, why ask him that?

Unknown Speaker (8:27): Yeah. I think the reason why I think the reason why we're both confused and CR too is because she had put him on an island. She was not checking for him, right, at all. And she kept coming in there and coming in there and coming in there and coming in there until For two years. For two years.

Speaker 1 (8:44): And then she and then when somebody expressed interest in her, which was Jesse, then he was like, oh, no. Really

Unknown Speaker (8:50): reacted. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (8:51): Reacted. And I think we all knew watching it this season that it probably wasn't gonna go where she wanted to. So once he got her and finally got the apology, then he was like, well, I don't know if I really wanna be committed. And that's like the quick and dirty version of it. So yes, Chelsea, he was playing on her face the whole time.

Speaker 1 (9:09): We at Grown Women, like, I would have known like day one just looking at him like, you not the one. I can just tell you're not the one. And this guy has a way of like getting in there and making Kat, Chelsea, Kimberly, not me, feel like the most important person in the room. And yes. And everybody feels like they could be his girlfriend.

Speaker 1 (9:28): He's charming in a way. And it it's a

Unknown Speaker (9:32): stupid effort. That's Yeah. An That's really what that is.

Speaker 3 (9:36): I know somebody like that. I know a criminal defense attorney like that. Anyway

Speaker 1 (9:42): Not calling anybody out. But I agree, Chelsea. It was it was hard for me to see her as a black woman, but the racial undertones chasing for Austin because and he ended up calling her Jezebel, and it was hard for me seeing her putting herself out there like and I'm all for interracial relationships, but these two white men were not checking for this black woman and the interior of herself the way they needed to. They did not invest in her. You mean to tell me all the gorgeous white men, if that's what she's really into, because it seems that's what she's into.

Speaker 1 (10:11): In New York, that's where she settled on? That part I couldn't get my head around.

Unknown Speaker (10:16): Yeah. That's

Unknown Speaker (10:17): Yeah. Even so much as when Amanda and West started hooking up, Sierra was still hooking up with West at the same time. Obviously, it's not no. Was that.

Speaker 1 (10:34): I wish Chelsea, think you bring up a good point. I wish she did have the emotional radar to recognize because I'm of the mindset once you break up, that's it. Going back through closed doors is is that's don't don't do it. The last time I did that, ended up divorced. I followed my own rule, and I paid for it dearly.

Speaker 1 (10:51): Right? So I'm I wish she would have had that radar. But Amanda, would she have ever did Amanda give her any context clues that this was that this was within her to you would have never known. Yeah. Was a good

Unknown Speaker (11:10): friend to her.

Speaker 1 (11:11): They were besties.

Unknown Speaker (11:13): Past like six years.

Unknown Speaker (11:15): Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:16): I was thinking the same thing with Amanda when Sierra was like, was calling you, I was texting you. You weren't. That's why I go like, oh, like you lack emotional intelligence just across the board a little bit because I'm trying to be there for you and you're ignoring me. To me, that's like a red flag, right? Like, I don't know if you're not a good friend or you're being shady.

Unknown Speaker (11:39): So that's

Speaker 2 (11:40): what I was asked. Like, has she, is there signs of Amanda being a bad friend at all outside of this?

Unknown Speaker (11:47): I have heard from Sheena, who's a Bravo levity, if you guys don't know who she is, that Amanda never texts back. She never gets back to anyone. I don't know if that helps or

Unknown Speaker (12:00): But it, within the context Well,

Unknown Speaker (12:01): I bet she gets back to West. I bet she's back to the duo.

Unknown Speaker (12:04): Through that. Yeah. She can't, She cannot deny that.

Speaker 1 (12:08): But within the context of the show, you would have never predicted this level of betrayal. Right? And No. That's the part that's really hard to take. And so what did you guys think about throw on the couch, she comes out in this buttery yellow dress that looks a lot like the dress that Sierra wore, that reunion episode during this that, West did her dirty.

Speaker 1 (12:31): The dress looked remarkably the same if you look at it.

Unknown Speaker (12:35): Oh, I'll have to go back and check.

Unknown Speaker (12:37): Don't know

Unknown Speaker (12:37): what this last season.

Speaker 1 (12:39): But no, not last year. The year that Year before. Before. Invested in.

Speaker 3 (12:44): Yeah. I think you're right. Yeah. Because I think that's even when Page had gone after him because Yeah. Did.

Unknown Speaker (12:49): Because, yeah, with everything going on, he was all excited about the number of followers he gained. And they're like they're like, yo. This is real life. It was like Right. People's last year.

Speaker 3 (12:56): Like, that's what all he was worried about

Unknown Speaker (12:58): was a child. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:59): And I had to actually go back and watch that reunion after this reunion ended to figure out what happened, what and the signs, Chelsea, were there that this guy was not apologetic. And yet and the very thing that drove his behavior as to why he said that was that I couldn't deal with the fact that I was dating her and I'd go out and they would say in Instagram, oh, there's Sierra with the newbie guy. That he was invisible in her world.

Unknown Speaker (13:31): Talk about insecure.

Speaker 1 (13:33): And I had to go back and figure out what drives this man. Talk about that. What is that? He he was not comfortable that people on Instagram and in social media prioritized her. They're Sierra with the newbie.

Speaker 1 (13:49): Like

Unknown Speaker (13:50): Mhmm. Well, it's like that saying there can only be one star in the

Unknown Speaker (13:53): relationship. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (13:55): Then she's got an air girl. She would

Speaker 2 (13:57): never be the bigger star than Sierra. So they would have never worked. And who said that? Did somebody say that? Maybe that's

Speaker 3 (14:05): Yeah, Lindsay. Lindsay did. And it's true. It's true. Because in Amanda, well, actually no, not Lindsay.

Speaker 3 (14:10): Oh, Sierra actually said it. And it's, she was right because when you look at it, it's like, look at, if you pay attention to Amanda, she's basically morphing into, into West. Like she's taking on his, like his wardrobe, like she's wearing his clothes. She's like dressing up like him and everything. And somebody else mentioned it and it's like, like, look at Kourtney Kardashian and Travis Barker.

Speaker 3 (14:29): Kourtney Barker, she basically morphed too. It's like, and I noticed that, and it looks like Amanda's like one of those people, she needs someone else. Like, I feel like she's got an identity problem as well. She needs, she needs someone else for validation and you need someone to rescue her. And I feel like West was the one to rescue her.

Speaker 3 (14:45): But the funny thing is I actually saw, like, when he first came onto the show, their relationship was a bit weird to me. And even last season, I've always felt like she was inappropriate or they were inappropriate for saying that she was a married woman. And like, that's why, like, I wasn't shocked when, when blind items and stuff were coming out on Dumont and everything. Like I was believing all of it. Like that's I saw it.

Speaker 3 (15:08): I saw it from a distance. Then as soon as like the whisper started coming out and everything happened, I was like, oh yeah, I was like, there's, there's something there.

Unknown Speaker (15:14): Wow. Good job that you did that.

Unknown Speaker (15:18): That shit real quick because I've been through things like that. I've been through it. Because I didn't believe it. I've looked it.

Unknown Speaker (15:24): I've looked

Unknown Speaker (15:24): it multiple

Speaker 3 (15:25): times, the same kind of situation.

Unknown Speaker (15:29): But quicker than me because I denied it for two days and then it got, it got too big to deny. There was too much There was a video apparently somewhere out there.

Speaker 2 (15:42): Okay. So this, I have two questions. Number one, is there a world where Amanda and Wes could have been together, but like, just could have gone about it differently and it would have been okay because Sierra and Wes never actually dated or is it

Speaker 1 (15:59): just off limits completely for They did date to the extent how much it was, you know, like a formal, like, defined DTR to define the relationship is debatable, but they did have relationship that first year that they dated. They were together all summer, which is why she was shook with that article too.

Speaker 2 (16:18): They're like boyfriend girlfriend. Like they weren't

Unknown Speaker (16:20): like Yeah. He never said he put the they had never had the title.

Speaker 2 (16:23): No. They had the title. Is he off limits forever or could she have just gone about it differently and this been okay?

Unknown Speaker (16:33): I think if she did really come to Ciara with like a true heart and openness, listen, I'm getting, this is weird, but I have feelings for him. Like, what do I do? I can't, you know what I mean? And I feel like Sierra is that person that would have forgiven her and let, and told her like, go ahead. I think that they don't believe me.

Unknown Speaker (16:58): No. No.

Unknown Speaker (17:00): Think Sierra would have been less pissed AF at least. Okay. Yes.

Speaker 1 (17:06): Yes. Yes. I received that. She could totally have been less pissed, but here's the thing. Sierra's a little bit less concerned about Wes because Wes is Wes.

Speaker 1 (17:16): And she knew in her gut as she spoke about a couple of episodes before the conclusion of the show, or the season rather that, you know, she was getting a gut feeling that he wasn't safe before she wouldn't have that conversation over at the beach or what have you. But the betrayal of Amanda, Like, literally, I would never try to date I don't care if y'all just dated for a week. I'm or even if I knew you were remotely interested in this guy over here, I'm not gonna go check for this guy over here. I'm just not gonna do And I think that that's the I think that's the part that's really hard hard to digest. We all knew that West was who he was.

Speaker 1 (17:57): And basically a fame whore who, excuse my language, a fame whore who just really, I think, kind of goes from woman to woman to woman to woman

Unknown Speaker (18:05): to A social climber.

Speaker 1 (18:07): Yeah. To socially climate to have relevance. I I swear, I think we talked about it in one of the episodes that he's that kid in high school, more than likely the smelly kid. Yes. I called you smelly, Wes, because you prob you are.

Speaker 1 (18:19): You don't take showers. You said it on TV. Everybody know it. Everybody know it. Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (18:24): We said that. Kid who wasn't really the cool kid picked glass for kickball, and now he's found his way. And so made friends with oh, let let me tell you the story. Made friends with all the black kids because that's who his friend group is. His friends are black, he found his way, and he thinks he's cool because he can, you know, Dougie, whatever, whatever, whatever, and all the things.

Unknown Speaker (18:41): And now he's found some relevance, and he finds his way on this on this show. And he's now the popular kid for the first time in his life. He doesn't know what to do with all of that. Yeah. That that sounds pretty

Unknown Speaker (18:55): right pretty accurate to me. Really does.

Unknown Speaker (18:57): To me too, as somebody who watches.

Speaker 3 (18:59): Yeah. But, back to if Amanda approached Sierra and told her, listen, let's have a conversation. This is how I feel. Like he and I have been spending time. I really think Sierra would have been pissed.

Speaker 3 (19:14): Her omissions probably would have been high, but I don't think she would have dragged Amanda to hell, which Amanda deserves because she, Amanda's so unapologetic. She literally does not care.

Unknown Speaker (19:27): There's been a difference in culture though, because what

Speaker 2 (19:31): I've noticed is that in the black community, like we don't play that. Like if I talk to them, like, don't like, there's too many fish in the sea for you to ever overlap with somebody that I have been with.

Unknown Speaker (19:44): That part. I I do agree.

Speaker 2 (19:46): I don't feel like it's the same. I'm assuming Amanda's just white. Don't feel like it's the same in the white community. I'm so like, I don't like to me, I feel like they like date each other's friends or whatever all the time. Now, I'm not saying that there's not any girl code related to it, but I think Amanda is like, even if she's like, I didn't like come up, go about it the right way.

Speaker 2 (20:11): And like, could have like not lied when asked or whatever. I don't think there's any part of her that's like, this just on its face is wrong. Like, he was always going to be off limits for me. I don't think she's seeing it like that. And I I think that a lot of people don't go by that con like, they don't go by that girl code of you cannot talk to my ex.

Unknown Speaker (20:33): I I think it's like, you just blinked at him, got it. Got it. The opposite. Yeah. You didn't miss him a anymore.

Unknown Speaker (20:41): Bar.

Unknown Speaker (20:42): Like, then, like, I don't want your his number because y'all talk to each other.

Unknown Speaker (20:46): I don't

Unknown Speaker (20:46): want it.

Speaker 1 (20:47): And it's not to say like, just just to piggyback on the culture part, it's not to say that this doesn't happen in the black community because it does. But our value like, I know my mother taught me don't ever be alone with another woman's husband. I don't care if you are best friends

Unknown Speaker (21:00): and you guys do My mama's same thing.

Unknown Speaker (21:02): Don't ever be alone in there. And I remember being put in a situation where a white friend of mine was like, oh, just go hang out with my husband while I go to this past girl, no. Don't do that.

Unknown Speaker (21:12): Don't do that. It's like, What?

Speaker 1 (21:14): I go, no. Don't do that. We don't want none of the things that could be a thing. Know? Like Exactly.

Unknown Speaker (21:23): I've noticed that I had coworkers who became friends that were Caucasian and they're very touchy. So the whole, like, touchy feeling thing was so new to me. Like, like they dance on each other. Like when you're just like, you know, grinding and then

Unknown Speaker (21:41): like, like what's going on.

Unknown Speaker (21:44): Do that with each other. Like even if someone's married and like, we do not. We

Unknown Speaker (21:51): don't do that. Like, no.

Unknown Speaker (21:53): We do not. Like, we bring up

Speaker 1 (21:54): a different way. There's just there's a lot of nuance of culture Yeah. That's that's so apparent in this show. But I let me tell you what worked with the reunion and what didn't work for me. What worked for me were the reunion looks.

Speaker 1 (22:07): Come on. Let's talk about them.

Unknown Speaker (22:08): Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:09): Yes. Every last one of them except for Amanda's. I was that

Unknown Speaker (22:12): Exactly. Not the idea. I'm not fitting her right now.

Speaker 2 (22:15): When she came out. Why did they compliment her when she came out? I didn't understand that.

Unknown Speaker (22:20): I do me either. I really don't know that. I'm I'm comfortable. I

Speaker 1 (22:25): probably would have said, oh yeah, nice dress. Butter yellow work

Unknown Speaker (22:28): for you.

Unknown Speaker (22:28): Never heard of butter yellow.

Unknown Speaker (22:34): Course. Like, Andy always says

Speaker 2 (22:37): Andy always says it, but I was like confused when they came out because they were like, oh, you, you look really pretty. And then for Wes, they were mean, but I was like, hold up. Didn't both of them fuck up? Like, aren't we

Speaker 3 (22:46): Yeah. That's what yeah. That, that threw me because I think I want to say Lindsay was the first one to compliment her. She was. And I was like, I'm like, okay.

Unknown Speaker (22:53): I was like, okay.

Unknown Speaker (22:54): I wouldn't trust it. I wouldn't trust them.

Speaker 2 (22:56): Like, okay, so they like her. They don't like her.

Unknown Speaker (22:59): Like Yeah. It was. Yeah. That threw me.

Speaker 1 (23:01): I think if I was Amanda and Lindsay would have complimented me, I would have sat down and looked for all the knives in the seat. Yeah. But let's talk about what worked. I'd love the opening. We're getting ready to film, you know, the confessionals for in the city.

Speaker 1 (23:18): Oh, that's right. An authentic reaction to me. You know? Check your phones. But by this point, I guess they already knew that they yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:27): I guess they already knew that there was something going on, but then the statement comes out. And what I liked in that moment is that there was just an instant community of support on that phone. They got two phones, which I've never tried that. That's new to me. I'm like, yeah.

Unknown Speaker (23:42): And everybody's Yeah. Together. And number two That's classic. Aside from done that. I've never done that either.

Speaker 1 (23:52): And aside from the reunion look, what I liked is they didn't hijack Sierra's moment to tell her story. They all sat back and let her tell her story, and then they all came in asking good questions. Like Yeah. With a little bit of empathy, like, help us understand. Mia Mia and Sierra, oh, they needed their own show called Hot Sex.

Unknown Speaker (24:15): Oh, for sure. Yes.

Unknown Speaker (24:16): They are in

Unknown Speaker (24:17): the They do. Fire.

Unknown Speaker (24:18): I was just saying.

Speaker 2 (24:19): How was I crying? And I don't even know that. I was that Mia. Oh, Sierra. Chelsea.

Speaker 2 (24:24): Mia talking about her mom. KJ, his anxiety that those three, they can do.

Unknown Speaker (24:30): Oh yeah. That's a. We love

Unknown Speaker (24:32): them so much. They're they're strong and they're like brother and sister now.

Unknown Speaker (24:37): That part was beautiful.

Unknown Speaker (24:39): Yeah. I love that. I thought Andy did, I thought Andy did well in this reading and just kind of just letting,

Unknown Speaker (24:45): just letting them do their thing.

Speaker 2 (24:49): Can I ask a question though? Sure. Love it all. Cause I didn't love it when he told Sierra that she was being too harsh. I

Unknown Speaker (24:58): didn't love it. Yeah. That was weird. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:00): Yeah. Talk to me guys. I didn't love it either.

Speaker 2 (25:04): Well, I'm just confused on the dynamic because at first I thought Kyle and Amanda are on the way their way out. So it's more so like Wes is messed up for doing this to his friend Kyle, but I'm thinking that Amanda and Kyle are good to date, whatever. Why was Kyle about to like throw up, come out of his clothes when they were talking about Amanda and Wes having sex? Why was he so offended by Sierra coming at her? I was just like, are y'all getting a divorce or not?

Unknown Speaker (25:34): Like, I'm confused.

Speaker 3 (25:35): And that was, that was interesting to me too, it's like, and then also if you notice me, if you pay attention, someone had mentioned this under one of my reels, posted today. It was odd that he doesn't seem to be as angry with West like you think he would be, but I don't know if it's because the fact that he had wrongdoing in their marriage. I don't know, But it's it's like it seems like he's not holding as much of a grudge as I thought that he would.

Speaker 1 (26:02): I I I kinda feel like he's having a delayed reaction, and that anger is going to really come out. You know, we got two more episodes to go. So I I feel like that anger is gonna come out. But I also it seems to me that in his heart of hearts, he still loves Amanda, and he's still very and he's very Chelsea is very protective of her even outside of the reunion, like Mhmm. Checking on her, making sure she's okay because he has mentioned that she struggles with mental illness.

Unknown Speaker (26:31): Trying it.

Speaker 1 (26:31): He's made reference to that. So I think what you're seeing is just this concern that he doesn't really want her eviscerated. But my takeaway, Chelsea, was that and this kind of leads into something else I wanna bring up. Don't silence this woman's anger. Exactly.

Speaker 1 (26:49): And don't edit and don't edit what she is feeling right now. This is her one off to say what she's gotta say, boom, boom, bury it and be done. Don't edit that in real time. And for him to be more concerned on two levels, you know I'm gonna go you know, they're already the second level is gonna be on two levels. One, to be more concerned about Sierra holding his ex wife who cheated on him with his friend that he hung out with this summer than Sierra stealing is one thing.

Speaker 1 (27:19): But also, of course, I'm gonna bring this up and I'm sorry if you hate it. It's also editing this black woman's pain. Mhmm. And and and and exchange for this white woman's wrongdoing.

Unknown Speaker (27:34): Exactly. That's the part that bothered me. Yeah. It was I was bothered.

Unknown Speaker (27:39): That's a good point, Chelsea, that you brought up because I didn't like that either. The way he kept defending her and that one comment, I was like, let her speak.

Unknown Speaker (27:50): Yeah. It's

Unknown Speaker (27:51): like, we're here. We're We're here. Gonna be with both of you.

Speaker 2 (27:56): We're going to be harsh. Hello. Like she knew when we, she came to the reunion today that I was going to get in her shit. Like, that's what one does when you sleep with my ex.

Unknown Speaker (28:09): She's so protected by the men in this, this, show. I've never understood that Elle.

Unknown Speaker (28:18): It's fascinating to me. Well, she's a girl's girl. She's kind of like that girl that you invite to have a beer and you go watch hockey with and she's, you know, she's

Speaker 2 (28:25): can't stand them. And going back really quickly to girl code, don't be at my ex's house. Like, don't really,

Unknown Speaker (28:37): my

Speaker 2 (28:38): whole, oh, she's just at Wes's house. Like, why would you be at my ex's house without me there? You know what I mean? Like what?

Unknown Speaker (28:45): It made no sense. The apparently

Speaker 1 (28:49): the was it just me or does she have and maybe she was medicated. I'm not suggesting she was medicated, but maybe she would, but there was just this barrenness.

Speaker 3 (28:59): Yeah. It was. You're right. She was a blank year.

Speaker 1 (29:01): A blank. And I'm sorry. Like I was talking to Kat today. I didn't tell her what I was gonna talk about. We make a habit of not sharing what we're gonna talk about, but

Unknown Speaker (29:08): Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:11): Remember a long time ago when I was a therapist working with a kid and I remember working with him through some issues. He was autistic and he would always say, Sorry just doesn't cut it. I never forgot what that seven year old taught me. I have kept that for a lifetime. And in this case, I have a very negative relationship with I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (29:38): This is something that you can't apologize for. I don't I don't care if you were together, not together. If you blinked for a minute and he was, I don't care. I don't care about all of that. Like you literally went and deliberately had a relationship with your friend's paramour, our love interest, and you know how deep this was for her.

Speaker 1 (30:02): Like, you know, you would have to watch seasons. You know, this was deeper, whether we understand it or not, this was meaningful to her. This was deeper. And he was also her friend. And she always prioritized, I lost my best friend.

Speaker 1 (30:14): And he went after this unapologetically And all of a sudden, I'm sorry. And then the tears were and that's supposed to be enough? No. There's like no coming back from this. Like, you don't even really need the apology.

Speaker 1 (30:30): Like, it's it's done. Like, what do you what are you gonna apologize for? Like, it's nothing.

Unknown Speaker (30:33): Yeah. At this point.

Unknown Speaker (30:36): They released the whole

Unknown Speaker (30:37): I point loved what you said about she's never had that many boyfriends.

Unknown Speaker (30:43): Oh, yeah. Right. Yeah. And it's,

Unknown Speaker (30:45): yes, she

Speaker 3 (30:45): really hadn't. And it's like, I can relate to that because it's like, she's the girl she's, I mean, she's powerful. She's smart. She's beautiful. She's confident.

Speaker 3 (30:57): And I think a lot of the reason why, I just, I resonate with her is because I lived a lot of the things that she did, but just not on television. It it's in, it just bothers me. It hurts because I'm like, here we go. You know, I've learned my lesson. I knew when to stay away from, but I'm a lot older.

Unknown Speaker (31:17): Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (31:18): And it's painful to watch. And the way that Amanda just it's like the way she scoffed at it, that's when it really just made me mad. And that's how was really bothered by Kyle trying to tell Sierra to back off. I was like, she literally, she scoffed at her face. Like, no,

Unknown Speaker (31:33): no word. She said fuck off.

Unknown Speaker (31:36): Like,

Unknown Speaker (31:36): yeah, she literally said fuck off.

Unknown Speaker (31:39): Well, this is not a girl that needs saving.

Unknown Speaker (31:42): No, at all. Amanda

Unknown Speaker (31:47): said fuck up. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:54): Amanda. Oh, I must've been, what was I doing? I missed that. That's

Unknown Speaker (32:00): why you have us to tell you.

Speaker 1 (32:03): And curiously enough, Amanda's getting drug for filth, filthy pills, all the way around the block through under the woods, under the tree, dragging for Phil. And Wes is just sitting there, letting her take it.

Unknown Speaker (32:18): You didn't even come to her

Unknown Speaker (32:19): defense. She doesn't care.

Unknown Speaker (32:22): She's like, let's go to Rome. That's where they are right now. They're in Rome.

Speaker 2 (32:26): Yep. They're in Rome. If I were her, I would have been trying to get back with Kyle. Cause to me, Kyle said more on her behalf than Wes did. He just sat there like a literal, like a little kid in the principal's house.

Unknown Speaker (32:39): I wrote little boy in my notes.

Speaker 1 (32:41): Yeah. Chelsea, if you watched that season, I think it might've been season eight. The first time he messed up and gave us the context clue that he ain't you know what? He sat there the same way, like, you know? And my husband's like, oh, he's perfected this.

Speaker 1 (32:59): This is Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (33:01): That's what Lindsay said.

Unknown Speaker (33:02): I'm just a little baby. Lindsay called it. Mhmm. She did. So let me ask you guys a question.

Speaker 1 (33:08): Two questions. The sentiment that it was interesting when this all came out, everybody was all about Sierra on Sierra Mountain, just like, oh my god. Champion Sierra's cause. The stuff with Jen Fessler came came out. Jen Fessler from New Jersey.

Unknown Speaker (33:27): New Jersey.

Speaker 1 (33:27): Apparently had relations with West. And Sierra had something to say about that and called it out, and basically her and Fessler were having this mild feud where she basically told, Jen Fessler to f off. And and it was at that point, it seemed that the sentiment for Sierra has shifted, and all of a sudden, people are starting to feel bad for Amanda. I think as of last night, people are now back on

Unknown Speaker (33:57): Yeah. Mhmm.

Speaker 1 (33:57): Sierra's side. So what do you what do you think about that? And what do you think about the other sentiment that I'm starting to really resent is that the continual comparison to this situation, to scandal, And even going in so far to call it the poor man scandal.

Unknown Speaker (34:21): Really? Oh, really? Oh, I haven't heard that one.

Unknown Speaker (34:23): Yeah. I never saw that.

Unknown Speaker (34:25): Yeah. Oh. Courtesy of Bethany Frankel. To each other's own.

Unknown Speaker (34:32): Mean, we all have problems in life. Like, you could compare them all you want, but at the end of the day, these are two women who were deeply hurt by a man. So make fun of it all you want, but I don't think that's okay. On paper, they

Speaker 2 (34:50): are not the same. I think that it is being treated like in the Bravo world, it's being treated as if this is Standevol two point zero, but I think what's probably getting people tripped up is that on paper, they never were in a relationship. Like this is very far off from the Tom and Ariana of it all. How long were they dating? Like ten years, eight years?

Unknown Speaker (35:15): Yeah, nine, nine.

Unknown Speaker (35:17): They were together for nine years. They

Unknown Speaker (35:21): in a home

Speaker 2 (35:23): together. And then this was happening like literally right up under Ariana's nose. This is sad. This is a terrible situation and there's racial undertones to it that make it, that elevate it. So I'm not saying that it's not important.

Unknown Speaker (35:42): Like I'm not saying that at all,

Unknown Speaker (35:43): but we

Speaker 2 (35:44): can't literally talk about it as if it's the same as scandal ball, because then people are the elephant in the room, which is that he wasn't even your boyfriend, but as a, so that's why I think that this is more so on Amanda, like it's on Wes, but like as my friend, it doesn't matter if he was my boyfriend, my husband, or what have you, you know, I was hung up on this guy. You knew it doesn't matter what we were. You knew that I was on the merry-go-round with this guy and like my heartstrings were like attached to him. That's why it's messed up for you to do this to me. So it's fucked up.

Speaker 2 (36:28): And then we add in the wrong tones, it gets even worse. But I do think that like, especially people who aren't looking at it from like the racial lens, they're just like, why are you comparing this to Scandevol when like they weren't even together? And it's very easy to simplify the situation.

Unknown Speaker (36:42): I think that's, go ahead, Joanne.

Speaker 3 (36:45): Oh, that's, and that's, what's been going on. And then something else that I had noticed someone had said, and that resonated with me. When you look at the dynamic between Sierra and Amanda, Amanda was Sierra's best friend, but Amanda was not, I mean, but Sierra was not Amanda's

Unknown Speaker (37:04): best

Unknown Speaker (37:04): friend.

Unknown Speaker (37:04): Right.

Unknown Speaker (37:05): Yeah. And that that makes and and that makes a world of difference.

Speaker 1 (37:09): I mean, and it's And, yeah, yes. That's the part. And and Chelsea, this season, would have to go back and watch, you know, Amanda and Kyle's relationship. The entire season is about their relationship cracking, fracturing, getting split apart. And Sierra is there front line and center.

Speaker 1 (37:28): We just did an episode about this role. Front line and center, trying to talk her through it, help her through it, championing her through it, helping Kyle through it, crying with her, laying in the bed, talking about like, doing all the things. And the season finale ends. Amanda's is everybody's leaving the house, and the reckoning is starting to happen, which Amanda has to realize that she has to go home with Kyle and or or be but before she does that, have this conversation about where the relationship is not going. And she takes her and she coddles her face.

Unknown Speaker (38:06): You are smart. You are lovely. You

Unknown Speaker (38:09): are

Unknown Speaker (38:10): you've got this. I mean and that's a whole that's the next episode. And that was hurtful when I saw it. Was like, Oh, please leave the help to Viola Davis. Don't leave so great in his face.

Speaker 1 (38:25): But I digress. She was championing this woman getting back together. Meanwhile, Amanda on the Black's backside,

Unknown Speaker (38:33): on

Speaker 1 (38:33): the Black side, Amanda on the backside is trying to help Wes reconcile with Sierra. Right? All in it.

Unknown Speaker (38:41): Yeah. It was weird. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (38:43): All in the moments.

Speaker 1 (38:44): Five episodes before the So we, as the audience are very confused. Sierra is more than pissed. And that's where the aunties and the mamas need to come together and be like, girl, let me to auntie Kat, auntie Chelsea, and let's build a wall around you and teach you, and to really pour into you how to stay up on game and never give more of yourself to someone that they're willing to invest in you. And that's a whole different conversation, but she invested so much time and to her that that's why the betrayal hurts so, so much. Yep.

Unknown Speaker (39:23): Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:23): Because she even said because she said, well, I was there for you. You know? It's like, yeah, that's the, she was there the whole time.

Unknown Speaker (39:30): She, cause

Unknown Speaker (39:30): she made the, she made the comment. Well, he was there for me. And Sarah was like, I was there

Unknown Speaker (39:34): for you Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:36): So much more meaning now with that context you gave, Like literally I was in the bed crying with you.

Speaker 1 (39:42): Absolutely. And that goes back to the conversation. Oh, Kimberly, it goes back to the conversation we had is that cultural nuance of how there seems to be a difference in how culturally we respond to friendships. And in some cases it does seem that Caucasian women are maybe a little bit more strategic and it's a little bit more transactional. And I stand by that.

Speaker 1 (40:06): I've experienced that more than once, more than twice, more than twice. And we kind of lead with the heart because that is what we did in Africa. And that's what we've been trained to do and conditioned to do here to be in service of making sure

Unknown Speaker (40:22): that you're okay. Right. All the things I got you. Is everybody okay around me?

Unknown Speaker (40:28): Is my

Unknown Speaker (40:29): best friend okay? Meanwhile, your best friend doesn't give a F about you.

Unknown Speaker (40:35): At all.

Speaker 2 (40:36): No. When say that Elle, because I can think of so many times that like, even at work where I have coddled the emotions of a white woman and like not receive that in return or been backstabbed. But like, yeah. And so it's like, they have a hard day and you, you know, you wanna support them. I can kind of like, I'm just noticing more of the racial undertones that's happening here with the way that Sierra is showing up for Amanda and that loyalty is not being returned in any way.

Unknown Speaker (41:11): In fact,

Unknown Speaker (41:13): it's like making it easier for you to backstab me. That is infuriating.

Speaker 1 (41:19): And I think it's important to bring this up. And I, again, I say to those listening to their cars right now, that discussions about race get people prickly, they don't know what to do with it. Oh my God, they're talking about race. We're bringing it up not to blame, bringing it up to talk about this is a real dynamic so that we can seek to solve the problem. Right?

Speaker 1 (41:36): So that's why this situation cannot necessarily be compared to scandal because this is a, this is to your point, Chelsea. Yeah. They were married. They had ties. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:47): Marriage, remarriage. Well, deep relationship ties. They weren't married. Common. London houses, legacy.

Speaker 1 (41:54): This was starting to jump off. This is more about betrayal on three different levels. Betrayal of two friends. She first saw West as a friend

Unknown Speaker (42:03): Mhmm.

Speaker 1 (42:03): And a romantic interest. Betrayal of a friendship. And underneath all of that is this nuance of culture that we can't we as black women can't ignore. Our response to Sarah and watching this is a completely different emotional response than other cultures have. Kat fills me on this because she, you know, we tried, but it's different from the average person.

Speaker 1 (42:25): And so it is about friendship. And I resent that they're trying to decenter her story, decenter her experience by comparing it to Scandelbaugh. It it let's Scandelbaugh do what Scandelbaugh did. Let Sierra have her moment.

Unknown Speaker (42:43): Right. Exactly.

Unknown Speaker (42:45): Not that bad as bad. How about the fact that Kyla and Amanda are legally married right now?

Unknown Speaker (42:53): Right. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (42:54): They still are legally married. Does no one care about marriage? Like adultery?

Speaker 3 (43:03): Well, dynamic was always weird to begin with because that's what like, the house because it just, I was always, it was always unsettling to me that I was like, she's a bit flirty with these dudes for saying she's a married woman.

Unknown Speaker (43:14): Me too.

Speaker 3 (43:15): And it's, that's when I first clocked her in West a long time ago, like even last season, I felt like, like there must have been, I was like, they're a little chummy. Then over time it, look what happened. Because I guess I've seen that before. So it's, know the signs and know when it's coming.

Unknown Speaker (43:31): Well, Paige clocked it too on that reunion couch in season. I think it was, was it season eight?

Unknown Speaker (43:36): Was it eight?

Unknown Speaker (43:38): Yeah. She clocked it too.

Unknown Speaker (43:40): Yes, she did.

Unknown Speaker (43:41): Yeah. Definitely clocked it. She was looking at him like, I see you. Just the dynamic sir.

Speaker 1 (43:49): Just the dynamic between her and Kyle that season, Kyle is very much with the mullet and holding her hand and, and she's just like, but she's sitting, it's Kyle, Amanda and West. Mhmm. And she's defending Sierra in this season, but she's kinda, you're kinda party a little bit.

Unknown Speaker (44:11): To last. Yeah. And she even rubbed his back and said, now the hard, now the hard time's over. You can have fun again. You remember that?

Unknown Speaker (44:21): Yep. Yeah. You just showed it to us again to remind us you're doing that to the guy who broke your best friend's heart. What is wrong with you?

Speaker 2 (44:29): Yeah. You should be like, think middle finger.

Speaker 1 (44:33): You think that considering his resentment that he had in season eight about not being the center of the relationship or the center of attention in terms of social media when he was initially dating Sierra, being called the newbie, contributed to a level of resentment? And do you think that maybe Amanda, who's known Sierra all this time, liked her, but maybe the whole time kind of low key resented her? Because every guy who came through that door wanted to date her. Amanda's never had that kind of pull. Do you think these two together who both secretly resented her kind of had their own hidden motives to getting together to kind of get back at her?

Speaker 1 (45:17): And I know that that's like a wild theory, but I can't think that maybe that had something to do with it.

Unknown Speaker (45:23): Well, she thinks it because in the beginning she said to Amanda, just know he's with you to spite me. And that was powerful. And I think it's a little bit about that. I do.

Speaker 2 (45:36): I, okay. So I don't have all the context.

Unknown Speaker (45:41): I don't

Speaker 2 (45:41): think Wes gives a damn about Ciara. I don't think that he's there to spite her. I literally, I don't think he cares about her at all.

Speaker 3 (45:50): That's why I agree with you, Chelsea on that one. Yeah. That's why I don't think that he did it to spite her because he doesn't care about her.

Unknown Speaker (45:57): Amanda wanted to do this.

Unknown Speaker (46:00): Oh yeah. Yeah. Sierra gets more attention than

Unknown Speaker (46:05): that's what it

Unknown Speaker (46:06): comes down to. Sierra gets more attention and she gets elevated more than, than Amanda does.

Unknown Speaker (46:11): And Amanda feels like she

Unknown Speaker (46:12): deserves it.

Unknown Speaker (46:12): Right. And so are you, she gets the more, most guys.

Unknown Speaker (46:17): But in And we all

Unknown Speaker (46:18): know Amanda doesn't care if she's married. She wants the guys.

Unknown Speaker (46:22): She wants the attention.

Unknown Speaker (46:23): She does. Go ahead, Elle.

Speaker 1 (46:25): But during that reunion, the relationship was made and I believe it was Andy that made that connection that so you did it to spite her, that article in the New York Times. It came up What did he say?

Unknown Speaker (46:43): Did he say? Do you remember?

Speaker 1 (46:44): Affirmative. There that that that was part that that was part of it because I was the new guy. That's how that's why when I watched it, I was, like, floored when I saw it. Like, oh, he's always resented her.

Unknown Speaker (46:57): That is strange.

Unknown Speaker (46:58): I don't know why.

Speaker 2 (46:59): Because of the negative backlash that he got, I guess.

Unknown Speaker (47:03): He said

Unknown Speaker (47:04): he did that. There

Speaker 3 (47:06): was at one point, I can't remember. I wanna say it was on an episode of, of Summerhouse, I believe where he basically said he kind of pretty much said that he resented her because the fact that he got a lot of backlash because he was dating a black woman and he didn't know how to handle it. That's like, didn't know how to get that's because that's, and that's whenever I believe that that race conversation got started.

Unknown Speaker (47:28): Well then don't cut to the cookout. We didn't want you there anyway. Yeah, Because then Why that was

Unknown Speaker (47:33): you start with her?

Unknown Speaker (47:33): And he said, and I think he want, I want to say that's what he said. That's what propelled his answers for that article. Was it, and I'm trying remember, was it Vandity Fair actually that it was in? Think it was New

Unknown Speaker (47:43): York Times. Was New York

Unknown Speaker (47:45): Times.

Speaker 2 (47:45): I don't understand. I don't understand. Even if this is Sierra's type, I get it. Cool. Well, it's fine.

Unknown Speaker (47:51): It's her type. It doesn't matter if I get it or not. You can't say no shit like that. And then me be kissing your ear or whatever they, they said they did ear stuff, which whatever that means.

Unknown Speaker (48:00): You cannot

Speaker 2 (48:02): say that I was mad at the backlash I got for dating a black woman. Like if you are going to date a black woman, you need to love her dirty drawers. Like you need to worship the grand in this world. And Mr. America, you're gonna say something like that, I just, I don't even understand how we got here.

Unknown Speaker (48:19): I don't, I don't I don't either.

Speaker 1 (48:21): My hope for Sierra, I'm super proud of how she showed up. I'm super proud that she said what she had to say and just unleashed. I'm super proud that she found her black cards and cashed them all in. Did you notice how they every commercial break, sadly, to watch it with commercials, ended with her having the last word. I loved how they edited that.

Speaker 1 (48:44): That's like a toy. Yeah. I'm super happy that she is, like, showing up and balling up, if it will, and getting doing her house in North Carolina. And I I I wish the best for her, and I hope she centers and grounds herself and get all of the things all of the things, all every last thing. Everything Ariana got.

Unknown Speaker (49:04): Everything Ariana got. Yeah. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (49:06): Uh-huh. Yep.

Speaker 1 (49:08): But let me ask you girls a question, ladies a question rather, To the point that some people may make reference that she's playing victim or she'll come back and play victim. Do you think this she's playing a victim?

Unknown Speaker (49:24): I don't.

Speaker 3 (49:27): Who are you talking about? Sierra or Amanda?

Unknown Speaker (49:28): Sierra.

Unknown Speaker (49:29): Oh, no, absolutely not.

Unknown Speaker (49:31): Yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:31): No, she's just hurt. She's hurt. She's got every right to be. It's like, especially I feel like all of our feelings are valid, especially when it comes to Amanda because that's where it's that's, that's the big hang up there because

Unknown Speaker (49:44): it's supposed

Unknown Speaker (49:44): to be your best friend, your home girl.

Unknown Speaker (49:47): It's just curious to me that she's considered a victim.

Speaker 2 (49:51): Well, I don't think she's playing victim like she is the victim in this situation. But I, what I will say is that Amanda should be smarter because had she gone about this differently, Sierra wouldn't have had much leeway with the audience. Had Amanda Sierra upfront and been like, Hey, I have these feelings for Wes. I know it's not great. I need to tell you whether Sierra gave her blessing or didn't had she just been honest about it upfront.

Speaker 2 (50:24): The audience unfortunately would not have given Sierra much leeway because they would have said y'all weren't dating, She came to you upfront. You've got maybe a reunion by next season. It needs to be wrapped up. I'd honestly think that would have happened because again, this is your ex. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (50:46): And she was honest with you, but because of the way that Amanda went about it, Sierra is a victim. She can come back next season and still feel flighted. And you just basically set up Ariana two point zero, she's gonna get all the opportunities because they are comparing this to Sandoval in that way. Like I saw the Sonic commercial, the Love Eyes.

Unknown Speaker (51:07): Yeah. Have

Speaker 2 (51:09): a whole like PR run now because you went about it so grimy. And I'm also like for Wes, like if you didn't like the backlash you got from New York Times, really, y'all aren't smart, this didn't make sense because now you didn't like, why would you betray her even more because you resented her for the backlash you got from an article. Now you're going to be getting backlash for the rest of the time.

Unknown Speaker (51:39): I don't think he cares. I think he can help. Yeah. I don't think he cares. I think he'll do anything to be famous.

Speaker 2 (51:49): I'm just saying, what does famous mean though? Like what, like, do you just want to be a household name? Because like, you're not gonna get brand deals because of this.

Speaker 1 (51:59): Like, continuing the show is to me gonna be shortened. His first betrayal was kind of informed by the fact that he was so overwhelmed by the DMs he was getting in, and he wanted to break things off so he could kind of go explore all the I'm telling you, he's the kid that was never picked for softball in PE because nobody liked him. I don't know. But even his parents during that reunion said, Bless, you're kind of an asshole. You better treat her right.

Speaker 1 (52:30): Even the parents put him on notice. This was not this season, but the initial betrayal after the article. But, yeah, there's there's two other episodes to go, but I can already tell you guys, I'm sure you heard our episode on, reality TV and cultural reckoning. This will be a topic of discussion that we will be discussing with all four of us ladies and one other because we are gonna talk about the nuance of this just for educational purposes and also to, just contextualize why this betrayal hits a lot differently than you're scandalous. Mhmm.

Speaker 1 (53:10): As it relates to the very thing we just talked about, that dynamic and that friendship between Sierra, a black woman, and Amanda, a white woman, and maybe why that betrayal cuts even deeper, not only for her, but definitely for us as an audience as we're watching it and living this real time. I wanna ask you guys something, shift, and talk about this wild card called Bailey. Help me make sense of Bailey and and Ben. I I literally watched this interaction of her saying she was yelled at. I guess I'm wrong because I didn't see anything that he did wrong.

Speaker 1 (53:46): But I guess I'm I guess that's me.

Unknown Speaker (53:48): No. I think she believes what she's saying, but I don't agree with it at all. I think he's a nice guy and I don't know why she's saying that he yells at women only.

Speaker 2 (54:04): I'm shook because when she was, she was saying that they didn't do like many, like flashbacks. Know. Asshole yells at women, she was believed. I believed her. I was like, wow.

Unknown Speaker (54:18): If I just saw this, I would think the same thing. Think I, but if we didn't know Ben, right, Elle? Like, if we didn't know him

Speaker 1 (54:27): because she was just on his ass so much. So basically what happened was they were at dinner, having their family dinner as as they do often at summer house, and they were playing some kind of game. And in this game, Bailey made a statement that because because Ben wants to sleep with Amanda. Now the undertone of that is that Bailey had a crush on Ben, and her she had no game. Her flirting skills are all the way off.

Speaker 1 (55:00): Yeah. God. She she was he wasn't picking up on her, like, being interested in him, and she just had no skills. And we also find out later that he had a girlfriend that he was still kind of or an ex that he was still kind of pining for who eventually makes it on to to the show. Her name is Sabrina.

Speaker 1 (55:20): And that's why he just wasn't clocked in, I suppose. And in addition to that, the summer before Kyle and Amanda met Ben at a wedding in Italy where Amanda went skinny dipping

Unknown Speaker (55:35): And In the pool.

Unknown Speaker (55:36): And said that Ben and Amanda were the ones who did it. Like Yes. They started it, and then everybody else was like, I guess we'll do it.

Speaker 1 (55:45): So when Ben comes onto the show for the first time this season, Amanda's all googly goggly. If Ben would have said, come on, man. Let's go. Amanda would have been like Johnny on the spot, laying it low and spreading it wide. Like, she was all about Ben.

Speaker 1 (55:58): And so Bailey's picking up

Unknown Speaker (55:59): on these

Speaker 1 (56:00): context clues, all of these context clues. Like, there's something there, but I'm maybe secretly upset that Ben's not checking for me. And so she says this wild thing and he went and says, Hey, you can't say that. Like he confronted her on it. So I guess his delivery was very, my husband says like, oh, that guy's an asshole.

Unknown Speaker (56:20): I'm like, oh, he died.

Speaker 1 (56:22): Yeah. I'm like, I'm not seeing that. He goes, well, it's just the way he's like kinda talking to her,

Unknown Speaker (56:26): but I didn't feel Wow.

Speaker 1 (56:28): I mean, I've been with husbands at Yale. I wasn't getting that. I was getting like, hey, you said what you said and I didn't like what you said, and I'm a hold you accountable for what you said. That's how I took it, but I know that's a very unpopular opinion that's not espoused by many.

Unknown Speaker (56:44): I have your same unpopular opinion, which, which is crazy. That's why we have you guys.

Speaker 1 (56:51): Yeah. So I guess Kat, me and you are on unpopular opinion island when it comes to

Unknown Speaker (56:55): being politely.

Speaker 1 (56:59): But I can't really tap in. What did you think? I, I felt it on hand. I thought it was just kind of unhinged.

Speaker 3 (57:06): Yeah. It was a bit, a bit wild to me. I'm like, what, what's going on?

Unknown Speaker (57:10): Do you feel like Ben is right in his stance or do you feel like Bailey is right where he's too mean?

Speaker 3 (57:17): Well, to me, it's like, well, Bailey is like really kind of awkward when it comes to conversation, I feel. And so she kind of set herself up for failure in a way for some things. But then at the same time, it's kind of like, I think it almost seemed like Ben got defensive because he didn't want to look like somebody who was trying to go after somebody else's woman or was interested in someone else, a married woman. So it was, it was kind of like weird.

Speaker 1 (57:43): I get that. Yeah. I get that too. I wonder if the awkward response too is that he's a rookie on this medium and, you know, they always kind of show up a little awkward when they're confronted for the first time. And so maybe that was part of it.

Speaker 1 (57:58): But I think what she said was way out of pocket. I don't care how she packaged it. It was out of pocket. You said that out of insecurity, Bailey, is in my opinion. And you really wanted his attention and by any means necessary, you got it.

Unknown Speaker (58:13): Could he have been softer in his approach and taken lessons from Carl from Softbar? Yes, he could have done But he said what he said, because you said what you said and that's it. Anyway, Hi, trainee. A time has Oh been my gosh. This has been so fun.

Unknown Speaker (58:32): You guys.

Unknown Speaker (58:33): We love when you guys come on. Yes. Thank you. Thank you so much.

Unknown Speaker (58:39): We were so excited to get into this, that two of us showed up to record at 04:30 this morning to record. Yes. And somebody didn't show up.

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Unknown Speaker (59:19): at 04:00 in the morning to record.

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Speaker 1 (59:35): I feel I feel like this is deserving of a lovely steak dinner in New York when I come and visit you in a couple of weeks. Oh yes, you're gonna be. I would love it.

Unknown Speaker (59:46): It's the best steak you'll ever get. So.

Unknown Speaker (59:49): Oh my gosh. I love this.

Speaker 1 (59:51): Well, thank you, Kimberly A. Bryant for joining us and Chelsea Raglin.

Unknown Speaker (59:55): Tell us where

Unknown Speaker (59:55): we can find you. Tell us where we can find you.

Speaker 2 (59:58): Yes. You can find me at Chelsea Raglin on Instagram and at mommy cigarette break on Instagram. And that is also the name of my podcast. So check me out there and thank you guys for having me.

Unknown Speaker (1:00:10): Oh, check her out. I love your reels. They are so unapologetic in the car, on the way to practice, wherever you have the takes. I just, I live for it. I love it.

Unknown Speaker (1:00:20): And Kimberly,

Unknown Speaker (1:00:20): you too, girl. You you've been killing it.

Speaker 3 (1:00:23): Thank you. Thank you. And you can find me at Instagram. This is Kimberly a Bryant. And then also if you're a Facebook junkie, like I am, you can find me at Kimberly Bryant.

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Speaker 1 (1:00:52): thanks for listening. You know, thanks for riding with us in our hot takes and our unapologetically unpopular opinion, hot takes, but they're hot takes just as well. And,

Unknown Speaker (1:01:02): we look forward to seeing

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