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Unknown Speaker (2:24): Fourth episode that we've recorded today. And we're not gonna stop.
Unknown Speaker (2:29): It'll stop till you get enough. There it is. But I know that no podcasting marathon is not complete without one of your brilliant and most coveted hot takes. Get into it.
Unknown Speaker (2:40): Okay. Thank you, girl. That was so nice. And since we already recapped Atlanta today, and since it's Monday, I felt the need to talk about Atlanta. So Drew Sedora is moving on and moving with her life.
Unknown Speaker (2:56): She didn't say she's moving out, but she did say she's moving on. And she sat down with Darren Karp, who's Andy's former assistant That's now a podcaster and an interviewer. Good for her.
Unknown Speaker (3:09): Tell you Drew is such love and light, and I never had a good relationship with Drew on my screen until this season. I have to wonder. True. I think he talked
Unknown Speaker (3:18): before. Right.
Unknown Speaker (3:20): And I think it has a lot to do with the fact that as contentious as her marriage has been with Ralph Pittman living under the stairs.
Unknown Speaker (3:27): Under the base, yeah.
Unknown Speaker (3:29): Or the basement, whatever, you know, that weighs on a person. It really affects how you have to show up and be performative on screen. You bring that rage and that, that stress with you. And I think because she's free of that and the shackles of that, and even though she's starting all over in a very humble way, she seems so liberated and free and open and and all the things. I would love to see a show with her and her team.
Unknown Speaker (3:51): Such a good idea. Yeah. Like a almost like a lever in Southern hospitality. Yes. Atlanta.
Unknown Speaker (4:00): Yes. Yes. Honestly, brilliant, and I love that idea.
Unknown Speaker (4:04): Yeah. Those queens would be giving us something to watch. That would be a show.
Unknown Speaker (4:08): Yes. They would. And Okay Magazine has put Doreen not on blast, but they they've talked about what she's had done as far as plastic surgery. So, yeah, maybe they're putting her on blast a little bit. But Doreen fully denied all the plastic surgery rumors.
Unknown Speaker (4:29): She says that she's had dental veneers, Botox, face filler, a breast augmentation, and that's it. And, Elle, people are not believing her, but honestly, if that's what she said, that's what she said.
Unknown Speaker (4:44): There are many of us who have not had one stitch of plastic surgery. That is entirely true. Are times that I
Unknown Speaker (4:51): know that
Unknown Speaker (4:51): your face can change its structure just due to age. For example, when I put on weight, you don't see my nose takes a different shape, my cheeks look different, I just look different. I look older, I don't look the same. Maybe she had plastic surgery, maybe she didn't. Honestly, there's other things in the world to worry about.
Unknown Speaker (5:14): Dorita's taking a lot of hits and a lot of bullets. People magazine posted her interview about her journey
Unknown Speaker (5:20): Oh, nice.
Unknown Speaker (5:21): On the show, but most notably her journey and walking away from PK and this divorce that she's going through and all the financial stuff attached to it. And the comments on Instagram were just absolutely disgusting. And I'm just like, man, at the end of the day. This is a human being at the end of the day.
Unknown Speaker (5:43): Her And experience
Unknown Speaker (5:45): can be anybody's experience, honestly. Her experience can be anybody's experience if we're not careful. And I going to I think I saved it, but some of the comments were just absolutely ruthless.
Unknown Speaker (5:56): If you wanna even tell me something
Unknown Speaker (5:59): I'll put the link in the description. You guys can read it Yeah. For
Unknown Speaker (6:02): because it might be too vulgar to even say.
Unknown Speaker (6:05): Oh, yeah. Like, we
Unknown Speaker (6:06): know it's bad.
Unknown Speaker (6:07): Like, bro, are we still in this? Oh my God. Be done already. Damn. Talk about long winded.
Unknown Speaker (6:13): So overhearing this again and again again and again. Enough already, Doreen. I think I scrolled through and I only maybe found, and then I just got tired of scrolling, but I, for a while, I only saw maybe three or four supportive comments. So most of the comments have been hidden. I don't know why that is.
Unknown Speaker (6:32): I don't know why people hide comments. I don't know the psychology I about
Unknown Speaker (6:36): know either.
Unknown Speaker (6:37): Just, you make a decision to live your life on TV and maybe she has done a lot of things where as it relates to spending money the way she spent it, definitely PK and her are both guilty of that. This guy is spending half $1,000,000 on bottle service. Know, he kinda created this engine. She didn't wanna do the show. He kind of insisted on doing the show.
Unknown Speaker (6:59): He constructed this persona for her, and now it is who she is. And they both need to just reconcile that and come to terms with that on their own, I think, outside of the camera. But I really feel bad with this I I I do. I I I feel I do too. You
Unknown Speaker (7:13): know? And she deserves an actual conversation, PK, to her face.
Unknown Speaker (7:19): And maybe they've
Unknown Speaker (7:19): had that. Maybe
Unknown Speaker (7:21): they've had that. Maybe this that's why I think this interview is gonna be interesting to watch. But I think we as fans or people on the outside of this, if you don't have anything nice to say, anything, just keep scrolling. Just leave her comments blank
Unknown Speaker (7:32): because I that's better than
Unknown Speaker (7:33): mean, it's so awful. Sorry, went on a whole tangent on that.
Unknown Speaker (7:37): No, I mean, yeah, sorry to the audience, but I honestly do believe that, that if you don't like somebody, you don't need to comment on their page, I don't like you because x, y, and z. I've never done it, like, on someone's page that I just don't like. Because it's like, you could make an Instagram account and just talk about it there, but you don't actually have to tell the person.
Unknown Speaker (8:02): The other thing that I always think about, and this is kind of like was the psychology of starting this show was that I can't imagine what it's like to have children who, no matter what age they are at this point, you know, children are very literate when it comes to social media. It's nothing to grab one or get on a computer and see what people are saying about your mom. I can't imagine Jagger or her daughter whose name I can't remember picking up Instagram and looking at how people are talking about her mother. How do, how do they think that that feels to that child? It's more than just to read, right?
Unknown Speaker (8:34): And they're also going to school and perhaps hearing those comments. You don't even know if you're Jagger or, Phoenix. That's her name.
Unknown Speaker (8:45): Phoenix, right.
Unknown Speaker (8:46): Thank you. You don't even know if you're Jagger or Phoenix, but then you go to class and everyone's making fun of you, possibly. Yeah. And to reconfirm they were getting bullied.
Unknown Speaker (8:57): Yeah. In a town that is very status conscious and kids who have no internal locus of control, they don't have their identities consolidated yet, They really lean into, You're not like us, if you will. You stay over there. You don't have what we have. Kids are very quick to categorize who's in their friend group and who's not in their friend group.
Unknown Speaker (9:17): In a town where status matters, that is going to come into play, I'm sure, in their friend groups. They have to live with this. So it does contribute to their bullying, I'm sure, on some level.
Unknown Speaker (9:30): I'm sure. And I don't think Doreen would lie about something like that at all. She has no need to lie about that. And also, bet Rula's kids, they might be having a hard time. I mean, it's hard
Unknown Speaker (9:45): going is on hard.
Unknown Speaker (9:46): Vibes and then having, like, your family.
Unknown Speaker (9:49): And you know what, Kat? I mean, there is definitely responsibility in reporting. There's responsibility in podcasting. Like, we also have to be very careful that we don't, like, completely get on this bandwagon and drag people to Phil. Sorry.
Unknown Speaker (10:01): Amanda and Wes excluded Amanda and Wes excluded at the moment. But even that, I try to But there's also responsibility in social media posting too, and you don't have to post everything. You have to keep in mind that, especially if the person has children and family and people around them that love them, that see them differently and experience them authentically in a way that we don't. I just, I don't know. Is it really necessary to go for the juggler like that?
Unknown Speaker (10:26): I don't know. I don't, I don't find it. That's why Reddit is not a sport for me. Is a toxic place to live.
Unknown Speaker (10:34): Because you could get really caught up, right? Like a person can get really caught up in that life.
Unknown Speaker (10:40): It's a soul suck that, that,
Unknown Speaker (10:42): that goes.
Unknown Speaker (10:43): And Instagram is now becoming a
Unknown Speaker (10:45): soul
Unknown Speaker (10:45): suck.
Unknown Speaker (10:46): Oh, don't say that. It was the only safe place we had.
Unknown Speaker (10:50): Well, there's still threads. I tend to like threads a bit more for
Unknown Speaker (10:52): whatever reason. That's true. I love it because it's so new and people are really saying how they feel.
Unknown Speaker (10:57): Yeah.
Unknown Speaker (10:58): I do love the honesty.
Unknown Speaker (10:59): But I'm sorry. I hijacked your hot take. Please go.
Unknown Speaker (11:02): No, you didn't. My last and final hot take was about our bestie in our minds, Sierra Miller. Then Chanel Ion actually defended her after Candace Dillard Bassett said that she was a little dry when she had her encounter with her. Did you hear about that?
Unknown Speaker (11:19): No, I did not.
Unknown Speaker (11:20): Yeah. So Candace said that Sierra was a little dry on her podcast with a gentleman. I'm sorry. I don't know his name yet, but I will find out. So she has her own podcast and she said, yeah, her encounter was a little dry with Sierra, but then Chanel Aion explained that it's because she was not sleeping.
Unknown Speaker (11:42): She was doing back to back appearances and award shows. And we see that we see that she was.
Unknown Speaker (11:49): When was she, when did she have her encounter? When did she, and did she explain more about her being dry? Just, I need more
Unknown Speaker (11:57): from Candice. She didn't explain more on her being dry and I'll get back to you on the date because I did hear this before, but as of one day ago, it's been on the block, But I've heard it before that, like much before that.
Unknown Speaker (12:14): It had it happened post Amanda and West.
Unknown Speaker (12:16): Yes. Yes.
Unknown Speaker (12:17): Well, yeah. I'd be dry too.
Unknown Speaker (12:20): I know. I'd be dry too. Like I'm tired of this.
Unknown Speaker (12:28): Well, I think we have to, again, there you go. Let's give some people grace. I had to judge everybody based on my birth encounter, then I'd have no friends. Some of the best people in my life were those that I met and had a negative first impression of. And then we just kind of got to know each other and it was all good.
Unknown Speaker (12:45): So I don't know.
Unknown Speaker (12:46): Okay. I'm telling you, girl. That is so true.
Unknown Speaker (12:50): Yeah. I did need your your expertise on something. What in God's greener? Why would? What is the psychology behind Amanda Spitting and Westmith?
Unknown Speaker (12:59): Oh my god. And one of our followers, by the way, thank you so much. I'm sorry I didn't get well, not I I didn't wanna say your name on Publix because I don't know if that's okay with you. So I'll just say one of our followers explained that it was an olive that she was actually taking
Unknown Speaker (13:18): the topic.
Unknown Speaker (13:20): Yes. Thank you so much. We
Unknown Speaker (13:23): appreciate your service.
Unknown Speaker (13:24): We really love all of you. Yeah. We do.
Unknown Speaker (13:28): Please Thank tap into the so comments because
Unknown Speaker (13:31): least it explains it, you know?
Unknown Speaker (13:33): Oh, I'm so thankful for this person. My God. Where was the comment on YouTube?
Unknown Speaker (13:39): It was on our Instagram.
Unknown Speaker (13:41): Oh, okay. I'm going to have to go hunt Yeah. You Thank you so much for de traumatizing me in this, like in a space I feel better about life. Feel like I can take on this Monday. I think I can even do another podcast now because that was really bothering my soul.
Unknown Speaker (13:57): I didn't know if I could go on.
Unknown Speaker (13:59): It was disturbing. No, it was scary. It was disturbing, and it was, your brain shouldn't see things like that.
Unknown Speaker (14:07): Or imagine them ever. Do you see how my mouth is like pursed? Like I'm still thinking of it.
Unknown Speaker (14:10): Oh no. We should not be viewing this.
Unknown Speaker (14:14): No, but remember on Summerhouse about two or three seasons back, the, I can't remember the couple. Were kind of disgusting, but, there was a, there was a personality, there was a cast member. She was blonde and she went out with Corey.
Unknown Speaker (14:28): Gosh. Why don't I remember this?
Unknown Speaker (14:30): And she liked to have, she liked to, she was into the spitting in the mouth thing. Yeah. My. On the show. It was a lot to take in.
Unknown Speaker (14:39): That is a lot. Like, I'm glad it wasn't Carl because I love him.
Unknown Speaker (14:44): Glad it wasn't It was Corey. It was Corey.
Unknown Speaker (14:46): I know. I know. I'm just glad it wasn't anyone I actually like because Amanda and West can have their little olive spitting. You guys could have that if that's what you want.
Unknown Speaker (14:58): Gosh. We've gotta see them again and then we'll be done. Meanwhile, Kyle is DJing. There's an Instagram post. Kyle has never looked better.
Unknown Speaker (15:06): You have never looked You look, this is what happened
Unknown Speaker (15:10): to you.
Unknown Speaker (15:11): This is happiness. This is happiness. And he's working out.
Unknown Speaker (15:14): Relieved. He's so relieved she's off of him now. He's like, yes.
Unknown Speaker (15:19): Now he's legitimately kissing fans. Was an Instagram post of a fan. I guess he was DJing somewhere and they were having a moment and I guess she must have asked him for a kiss and he planted one on her.
Unknown Speaker (15:30): Grace, calm down. Now
Unknown Speaker (15:32): girls' life is never going to be the same again.
Unknown Speaker (15:35): This is her brightest moment. On her wedding day, they're going to be saying, Remember that time you kissed Kyle?
Unknown Speaker (15:44): Why are you going to a wedding? My God. No. She's not even qualified to be in the building. She was a fan.
Unknown Speaker (15:52): A She's a fan.
Unknown Speaker (15:54): But shout out to Chanel Ayan for having back.
Unknown Speaker (15:59): A
Unknown Speaker (15:59): boss. She is a boss. You got that. You know? Because I don't know who was trying to be a hater.
Unknown Speaker (16:05): Well, I guess it was Candice, but she's tired, Candice. She's tired. I'm going to
Unknown Speaker (16:11): hope for the best that Candace wasn't saying that out of spite, but maybe just saying she was kind of dry, but it would have been nice if she would have elaborated and said, maybe it was the this, this, this, this, because now you leave us to assume or wonder, that come from a, a place of less than being less than supportive of your.
Unknown Speaker (16:30): And I think that's what she wanted for us. She wanted us to wonder that. I believe that.
Unknown Speaker (16:35): To really have a tough skin as a reality star or somebody in the public eye, because people are, I mean, it's just in life, like in real life, literally have to get to a place. And once you get there, it's a gorgeous feeling. I was talking about that, with a friend yesterday of truly just not caring what people think because people are going to always think something. That's their God given right to think whatever they want to think. It ain't got nothing to do with you.
Unknown Speaker (16:59): But I can't imagine what it's like when the whole world has something that they think about you. You know, right now we are part of that engine. We don't think very highly of Wes and Amanda, but I don't think Wes and Amanda think very highly about people thinking about them either. I don't think that they care. But for those who are soft in the soul and have a good heart, and I think you know, Doreet being one of them has a good heart.
Unknown Speaker (17:22): She's just in a really ugly predicament. And maybe some part of that is her fault for sure. But you have the thick skin that's required to withstand the comments and to still show up smiling and to and to do the job of the reality star and to do the job of your own life behind closed doors. I can't imagine that kind of pressure.
Unknown Speaker (17:39): So well said. Honestly, so well said. Yeah. I can't imagine it and I don't I wouldn't have what it takes, I think, for for millions of people to be like making fun of me at the same time. No, I'm sorry.
Unknown Speaker (17:54): I don't think I have what it takes.
Unknown Speaker (17:55): I think you do. I think you do. Think you do.
Unknown Speaker (18:00): That's great. I think we go on together?
Unknown Speaker (18:02): I just don't think I want to give my life away like that. I think, you know, that's-
Unknown Speaker (18:07): I feel like we got asked.
Unknown Speaker (18:09): Right. Nobody's interested in us, but, but I'm just saying that if that was, you know, an option, sure, I
Unknown Speaker (18:16): think both of us
Unknown Speaker (18:16): could stand it because we both literally don't care what
Unknown Speaker (18:19): people think. Absolutely. I don't care. You don't care either. That's so But some
Unknown Speaker (18:24): part of your brain leases itself or rents itself out to the fact that that is a thing in the fore, at the background of your life. And so you have to
Unknown Speaker (18:34): lease that part of your
Unknown Speaker (18:34): brain out to that reality. And I don't, I think that that's a currency I'd like to keep and rent it out to something else.
Unknown Speaker (18:39): Absolutely. Well said, bestie. I love that. Yeah. And I also think it's so new.
Unknown Speaker (18:46): It's so fresh. Like, do you really wanna risk your entire marriage and your life with a man over something that you don't even know is gonna go anywhere? You know? Because at that point, they didn't know, but Dolores was there, but still.
Unknown Speaker (19:00): Who are we talking
Unknown Speaker (19:00): I it's worth it. Oh no, the women in general. I don't think it's worth risking your marriage, your friendships, your well-being mentally just to be a good housewife. I couldn't do it.
Unknown Speaker (19:13): Yeah. You have to have a very comfortable relationship with not giving a, know what, very comfortable with that and really future proof that marriage, future proof that friend circle, future proof that parent mother daughter relationship, parent relationship, because they're coming for all of it. It's truly a fool of the devil, you know?
Unknown Speaker (19:34): It's like when Kelsey Grammer wanted Camille Grammer at the time to be on, and he was just trying to divorce her the whole time.
Unknown Speaker (19:44): He knew what it was doing.
Unknown Speaker (19:45): Yeah. Like he was literally wanting her to be this big star just so he could leave her.
Unknown Speaker (19:50): Yeah. He wanted to get her out of the way to give her something to do while he was in New York doing what he wanted to do.
Unknown Speaker (19:57): Yep. And now she's doing better. So thank you, Chuck.
Unknown Speaker (20:01): Oh, she's, she's a vibe. She's a vibe.
Unknown Speaker (20:03): I love her.
Unknown Speaker (20:04): You know, before we end, I know we started talking about Shamia's marriage and. Since we're talking about, there are so many guys. Hope none
Unknown Speaker (20:15): of our listeners are like to me in Of the course you have a right to say whatever you want. Reality stars are here for our entertainment, but there were things like this is a this is a light one. He clearly doesn't wanna be on TV. Wasn't that part of Shamia's wasn't a housewife earlier? I think they mean wasn't that why Shamia wasn't a housewife earlier and that got 50 likes.
Unknown Speaker (20:44): So I think it was why she wasn't a housewife earlier. Sure. Of course it was, but maybe she broke Gerald down. Maybe she really explained that she wants to be on, you know? Herself.
Unknown Speaker (21:02): Yeah. She seems like a woman struggling to find relevancy. And if you don't have that, yeah, if you don't have that in your, in your home life, then it's going to come across as how you show up, you know, as a housewife, which I say, even though it's a beautiful, likable woman, she's not very likable as a housewife this season. And I wonder if a lot of that has to do with Gerald and the whole cultural implication of that and him being from Kenya, which, you know, we get into in our drop of Atlanta. So please make sure that you listen.
Unknown Speaker (21:33): You know, there's this whole cultural component of being from Kenya and what that means and what marriage looks like that Americans who are in the Reddit threads don't really understand and appreciate. And I think he's just not comfortable being on camera because that's not intimidating. Yeah. I agree to it, but God, hate it. Know?
Unknown Speaker (21:50): It's a culture. Yeah. So, and maybe what would be interesting is that would maybe elevate the show that we didn't really talk about, but we can definitely get into it next week. But if, if that's what's happening, if he is so resistant to her being on the show and him as well, then talk about
Unknown Speaker (22:12): that and bring that into
Unknown Speaker (22:13): the storylines because I'm really struggling, you know?
Unknown Speaker (22:16): As an actress, he doesn't want her to kiss another man, hug another man, or really do anything that appears sexual with another man. And that's really holding her back as far as movies.
Unknown Speaker (22:35): And it's my feeling that as a woman who is, married to someone of Kenyan descent and who's very embedded in his culture, she more than likely has to walk a very fine line in that household to some extent, you know? The autonomy that we experience as wives, she probably doesn't have that same kind of autonomy. This we're just assuming we have no answers. We don't know, but these are just some things that came up for us that we're definitely talking about in our Atlanta episode. We know a lot of you guys don't Yeah, watch
Unknown Speaker (23:08): that hurts. That is one of our
Unknown Speaker (23:09): lowest performing drops that we do by the week. I have to assume
Unknown Speaker (23:13): that. Yeah,
Unknown Speaker (23:17): it is a good show. I mean, it's getting better. I assume that, that's also just because people aren't interested in it, but you should watch it. You should definitely watch it. But anyway, we get into that.
Unknown Speaker (23:27): So we're definitely talking about that. So make sure that you listen. We are done podcasting for the day. We have done four.
Unknown Speaker (23:35): And now we're going to go back to being And
Unknown Speaker (23:39): I'm good.
Unknown Speaker (23:41): Yes.
Unknown Speaker (23:45): And watching Summerhouse and I got to catch up with Love Island. Love Island, that's on our docket. Let's know. Give us time to catch up with Love Island, but we will be dropping something this week.
Unknown Speaker (23:55): No, no, let us know what you think. Who's your fave? Because I'm three episodes in. I don't know if there's four or three, but I am in this. So guys, let me know who your favorites are as far as the women and the men.
Unknown Speaker (24:17): I gotta tell you, part of my reluctance to watch Rhode I'm Rhode Island. Part of my reluctance to watch Love Island is that I have to reconcile When that I'm
Unknown Speaker (24:27): I watch them kiss, I'm like, oh my God, they're like, they could be my children. Yeah. They can't. No, I was just going to say that when they
Unknown Speaker (24:38): I can accidentally
Unknown Speaker (24:40): press And you hear the the kissing noises? It feels like they're my babies, like they're my children. I'm a millennial. I'm 40 years old. So I'm not doing it like this.
Unknown Speaker (24:50): Like,
Unknown Speaker (24:54): Well, and you just, just see so many mistakes that these young kids are making in their relationships. Oh my God. And then I feel even older because of that, because I
Unknown Speaker (25:05): feel like, oh, maybe
Unknown Speaker (25:06): I should watch the golden girls or something and feel better Girl, about
Unknown Speaker (25:09): don't do it, girl.
Unknown Speaker (25:12): I did too.
Unknown Speaker (25:16): All pretty well.
Unknown Speaker (25:17): Alrighty. Well, I will see you on the other side, Fran. It's been a day and I'll talk to you tomorrow. Bye.
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